Beats WebEx. I contracted at Cisco after they had bought WebEx and the dev teams had to stagger their scrums in the morning because WebEx infra couldn’t support all the meetings at once.
Beats Skype for Business too, which was Microsoft’s previous offering. And it was BAD.
Actually we just finished our switch from Skype to Teams and honestly, as much as I love having GIFs to express my disdain for work, at least Skype could group chats, didn’t require all the RAM in the world, and automatically saved chats which, in a records management hellscape was an absolute lifesaver. Also my headphones would automatically answer a call when I put them on my head but I have a feeling that has more to do with the settings than anything else.
Also I’m tired of having to tell people “no we can’t do that because Microsoft hasn’t integrated that very valuable and highly requested feature you’re asking for”
Oh hell yeah, Teams is far from perfect, but it is still light years ahead of webex
Teams is miserable
I don’t particularly like the UI, but I haven’t had any Issue with teams ever tbh. It even worked on Firefox with uBlock, NoScript (ofc allowing like one or two domains for it) and VPN. For me, Office in general just works most of the time. I would never use it for private stuff, let alone pay hundreds for it, but for work it’s more than fine.
Except Outlook. Holy fuck, how is such a central application such a pile of steaming garbage? It has the worst UI/UX I have ever seen in any mail client by far.
Same. Teams isn’t exactly good, but it works pretty okayish most of the time. I absolutely don’t get the love for slack, it seems to be more like an “I use Arch, BTW” thing.
Have you used Slack?
Yes. And it’s okay, but nothing to write home about.
I mean, it’s a messenger. Nothing more. Don’t overhype something that trivial.
Lol there’s a difference between overhyping and being upset that you were forced to move from a superior chat program to a slower, less efficient and more difficult to use program (Teams)
Edit: Found the Microsoft employee down voting me lmao
Found the Microsoft employee down voting me lmao
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill”
It’s just a joke, chill
I’m forced to have two separate Outlook accounts, I quite literally can not use both accounts on the same computer without getting stuck in a neigh inescapable login loop from hell.
If your job has Office365 access, use the web version of Outlook. You can open multiple accounts in separate tabs and the interface isn’t from 1995. I have multiple boxes I have to run and this saved me from having to constantly log in and log out of Outlook.
I typically use the web version and multiple tabs, but it still doesn’t work. I think it might have something to do with my organization trying to force all the traffic through their own log in page and outlook having no idea what account to associate where.
Outlook is a fucking mess. I wanted to search for a keyword in a long-ass email yesterday, so of course I did ^F, like a normal person would. That opened the dialog to write and send a reply??? Why???
And web browser outlook having no keyboard shortcuts whatsoever is fucking criminal.
Just transitioned from a Google + slack company to a Microsoft account company.
I asked if we put our email accounts on our phones to be able to answer after hours, my supervisor said very few people are given access to emails on their phones.
I am fine with the switch, I used to get 40-60 emails to sort through a day. Now I will be doing maybe 5-10 a day and only 3 or 4 might actually be for me and I only have an 8 hour day with no after hours meetings.
I’ve had a company require employees to install MDM on personal phones (remote control/management) to be allowed to use them for 2fa app or email access… there was a surprised Pikachu when I refused. Eventually they issued me a company phone, because it was impossible to do most tasks without 2fa. That device was on 9 to 5 only.
But why would anyone?
I have an MDM on my work phone and I can’t even access PlayStore anymore. It only allows Company Allowed Apps which is to say nothing. YouTube is broken because MDM somehow controls my DNS records. Firefox cannot be installed so Ads everywhere. Chrome only and it can only go to approved websites because Yahoo is safe but Ars Technica is not???
Why would anyone want that on a device they pay for?
Is my MDM different from their MDM?
MDM can be configured in 2 modes, one with company owned devices and one with bring your own device. But there are lots of settings that can be done, usually it is configured with work and personal profiles and the work one has all the restrictions in place and the personal has no limits. Maybe just some device features can be also enforced, like forbid the OEM unlock and ADB.
What the fuck? Are there really people who allow that?
Over 98% did. My job was security adjacent so I’ve had some insight into those metrics
I work in IT and endpoint management is among my tasks. Knowing the things we can do to smartphones that are controlled by our mdm is enough to where I would never agree to having thatopn my personal device. I even refused to get a company provided smartphone.
Same.
It was kind of fun, because I joined the company as a part of acquihire and they came to my entire team to install MDM on our laptops. It turned out we were mostly running Linux, while their MDM was Windows and MacOS only. They left…
They came back 2 weeks later to tell us it would be best if we installed Windows. We told them “no, thank you” to which they responded with surprised pikachu, because they were used to their suggestions being treated as commands. So they left again.
A month later they came back to tell us we really should install Windows to which we responded that we’d have to rebuild out entire tooling and we’re on tight deadlines as-is. It’s important to note that their Windows setup didn’t allow VMs…
Some time later we got an email to let us know MDM vendor will soon have Linux beta. Does it support Arch and Nixos? They’ll get back to us on that. And we started researching how hard would it be to run BSD on a laptop ;-)
Ah, the confidence boost you get when you know your job is absolutely secure and the only reason you don’t quit is because of a retention bonus :D
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Sounds like a pretty big win to me? Who answers emails after hours, yuck
I’m going from a 24/6 bigger city operation to a mon-fri 7-430 operation in a small town. It is a huge win for me.
Congrats! That sounds like a great change.
Now I wonder if there’s a correlation between companies using Microsoft package being companies less obsessed with crunch culture…
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Fuck Slack, Google Chat and Workplace.
Companies abuse it’s use instead of using emails and tickets, it’s fucking chaos.
Yeah let’s make people contact us through this public chat, all at once, I’m sure it won’t be a fucking mess.
IMHO, you need to know how to admin a good slack workplace. Properly setup workflows, bots and plugins can proactively funnel a lot of people toward the correct intake and resolution systems. You also need to train people on best practices, and revisit that training so bad habits don’t set in.
Training + automation are kind of required to make any communication platform effective.
“I am very busy and have my work day planned to work efficiently, so I won’t be handling your request immediately. This means things can slip through cracks if there is no ticked describing the task created - create one if what you are asking for is of any importance.”
Followed by not doing anything that doesn’t have a ticket and didn’t come directly from people you report to.
Also I have notifications disabled and only check slack between tasks or if I take a breather from a task - on average 4-5 times a day. I also check email as the first and last thing in a workday only
Yeah… in this DIY company I complained to my manager why other deparments didn’t create a ticket for requests/incidents for us.
The response was because tickets would cost money to the deparments! What the actual fuck?
The response was because tickets would cost money to the deparments! What the actual fuck?
1, that’s their problem, as well as whatever actual problem they have if there isn’t a ticket. No ticky, no worky; no ticket, no problem.
2, that’s ok, I’ll create a ticket for the work I choose to do for them so they get appropriately charged.
Yeah that would’ve probably got me in trouble in the best case…
I’m glad I’m not in that shit ass project anymore.
In Teams I can’t use my system volume to control Bluetooth headphones… drives me bananas. Especially because one of my coworkers has a loud mic
That’s the dumbest fucking part of teams, half of the problems that make people hate it are simple dumb shit like this that just prove they, like every other fucking company, prioritize business facing improvements, to the detriment of any user level improvement. IM LOOKING AT YOU AUTODESK!
I have so many issues using Teams with a normal headset. I went into sound settings, and turned off exclusive access to the device. I disabled communication devices. I turned off the sync buttons setting in Teams. Yet Teams still loves to randomly unmute my mic even when it’s muted from the PHYSICAL button. Makes no sense
You probably can. The issue is that most bt headsets mount themselves as a pair of stereo headphones, and a handsfree kit. And for some weird reason Teams will ONLY EVER broadcast audio to the handsfree kit. If you change the volume control to the handsfree kit, blam, you can change the volume.
It isn’t just teams. That’s how the hardware is implemented and it also means that you cannot have high quality audio and use the mic at the same time. It’s actually Windows, not the bt device or the app.
Legacy decisions that keep getting carried forward
I figured out you can disable Bluetooth telephony services if you navigate deep into the printers and other devices control panel. But this might also disable the mic. I’m not able to test it right now.
We use Slack for those of us on the IT team, but Teams for everyone else. I despise Teams.
Teams communication is fine but that file “structure” is atrocious.
Microsoft actively hates its users. Why are all of the keyboard shortcuts in the most inconvenient place possible? Why does Outlook not mark mail as read/unread in an intuitive way? Why does Teams schedule send require one tap on mobile but two clicks on desktop? Also this isn’t even the thread to get into whatever tf is going on with LinkedIn. Planting seeds and harvesting crops was a mistake.
Did you know windows has a dedicated keyboard shortcut for launching linkedin, teams, and all the main Microsoft office products?
Why did you make me learn this?
The more you know💫
IMO Teams is better than Slack
Sometimes people have wrong opinions, don’t worry it happens to the best of us (/s)
Hey, at least Teams has better surveillance than Slack!
oh wait that’s bad
What kind of surveillance? I remember 6 years ago an admin of a paid org on Slack could download all conversations, including private.
Any work tool is like that, including slack and teams. If you’re using a corporate device or tool paid for/managed by your employer, you have no privacy whatsoever. If you’re using the internet at work, IT knows at least which sites you visit
Usually the logs/conversations don’t get read, they just have words that get flagged (from swear words to drugs to who knows what else), the rest is mainly in case something happens they can look into it more and maybe cover their ass.
That said, I bet more data goes to microsoft from teams than goes to slack from slack, so in that case I bet slack is a bit better
My favorite Teams feature is that when you share your screen, it puts some giant bar that can’t be hidden at the top of the screen that covers up your tabs.
I don’t know if I could deal with this bullshit. I work at such a small office we don’t do anything but calls, faxes, and shitloads of emails. The odd side text sometimes. Adding a whole chat space thing where I’m constantly on the hook for a reply would do my head in.
Faxes? Really? Is someone still using fax? Why?!
The medium is the mess.
And they’re saying chat software is a headache lol
Microsoft’s O365 stack and Teams aren’t great, my friend, but they’re light years ahead of anything Google and Slack offer. Especially when any sort of collaboration is involved.
It’s weird that there’s people that believe this…
There is no way you’re using either on a constant basis. He is right. It’s not a great setup, but it beats the brakes off of workspace+slack.
The collaboration features in 365 fuck up and get in the way a lot more often than they work correctly WITH ONLY TWO CONCURRENT USERS. Conversely, I’ve seen entire classrooms in Google Docs working together like it wasn’t even a thing.
I don’t have a lot of love for any of these companies, but what you are saying is objectively false.
