Fuck yeah, and fuck any company that does that shit
I.e. Apple
That’s the first one that came to mind. They started every shitty trend in the industry
Is John deere exempt?
Nah, fuck those mother fuckers. As a former farmer myself, I can tell you that fixing my own shit was an almost life or death situation. I can’t just leave my crops without my machines more than a day. Shit needs to work right away. I used to grow rice and it needed constant flow of cold river water for 6 months straight
up. I had two diesel water pumps on the river, one is running 24/7 and the other is back up in case the other broke. If that shit broke and I waited for a day or two without giving the rice cold water, it all dies. Completely diesYep, according to the article, they have a strong enough
lobbybribe machine to win exemption.
I feel like printers started it. Everyone I had used to setup came with some insane cable. Not to mention the actual cartridge
Sounds about right. Man, I really miss the days where shit was so easy to replace. Wtf, capitalism needs to chill a little.
It’s the legacy that stinky piece of shit Steve Jobs left behind. That, skirting foreign labor laws, treating your own child like shit and stabbing your friends in the back.
There are others. Apple wasn’t the first, nor the last, but they were the most notorious for sure.
Samsung
Sony
I bought a brother printer model J1010DW because it’s brother, right? Also it was the cheapest brother printer in stock locally around the time I was sick & tired of detouring to the print shop.
The color cartridges still have tons of ink swashing in them, but the printer won’t even print in b&w because it detects the other cartridges as empty. So I try the tape-over-the-ink-window method, and my printer says, HMM, I GUESS THERE’S INK NOW, BUT THESE MUST NOT BE BROTHER PRINTER CARTRIDGES, HURR DURR, and makes itself an overweight scanner.
I have a canon printer that I buy from Walmart (yes, I said buy, not bought). Every time the ink runs out, I’d go buy a whole printer. Printer is $27 and the ink is $35. I don’t really print much, so whatever little print they give with the new printer lasts me for a long time. I’m thinking of just buying a laser one and call it a day since it never dries and it prints up 1500 papers per cartridge.
Some products — like devices powered by combustion engines, medical equipment, farming equipment, HVAC equipment, video game consoles, and energy storage systems — are excluded from Oregon’s rules entirely.
It’s interesting to me that Game Consoles get an exception… Not sure whats up there, other than straight up
briberylobbying.HVAC makes sense when you consider environmental concerns (some refrigerants are really terrible pollutants).
Medical equipment, particularly equipment in public health care should be held to high standards. Authorized, properly trained repair; peoples lives depend on it.
Energy storage when attached to public infrastructure (you back-feeding the grid) can be a saftey concern for workers and the supply/load needs to be balanced to prevent damaging that infrastructure and other private equipment attached to it. Not sure preventing repair is the right move here; you can still buy and install new without oversight. Perhaps it’s again a saftey concern (for the person performing repair).
Vehicles, farming or otherwise, I’m on the fence about; there’s an argument to be made for public saftey/roadworthness, but I’m not sure that’s enough of an argument to prevent home-repair. Again seems more to do with lobbying than anything else.
The farming equipment exemption smells like John Deere’s lobbies have been involved.
Oh definitely.
John Deere probably
bribedlobbied hard for that carve out. It was their practices that helped drive the right to repair movement. Giving them a pass really diminishes the accomplishment.Smaller farms are going to get screwed over with all the fees and mandatory maintenance that can be imposed.
Everyone gets angry about printers needing a debit card on file but manufacturers like John Deere do similar stuff. If they think you’ve tinkered with it, they can disable the equipment remotely.
HVAC makes no sense to me considering the only real hazard in there is the actual refrigerant gas.
unless they manage to pair the gas, im sure they would if they could
You joke but we’re almost there. Refrigerants are getting more and more proprietary. I work in the industry and with the push to go to lower global warming potential (GWP) refrigerants manufacturers have developed their own formulas here. It varies from manufacturer to manufacturer even amongst almost identical equipment. Getting the right refrigerant will only become more and more expensive the more boutique it is. The equipment can already tell what kind of refrigerant is in there based on the system pressures and temperatures.
I’ve been watching Hyperspace Pirate on Youtube and he talks about how hard it is to get commercial access to some basic refrigerants (like ethylene) as someone who isn’t a Pro HVAC tech, and he uses it as an excuse to to create them himself for part of his content.
I’ll have to check out the channel. Sounds interesting!
It’s interesting to me that Game Consoles get an exception… Not sure whats up there, other than straight up bribery lobbying.
Lots and LOTS of lobbying.
Let your representative know that that is not ok with you.
There’s no excuses for any of these. None.
That’s rather short sighted. I just listed several.
Don’t know about you: I’d rather not have the ventilator keeping grandma alive repaired by the hospitals underpaid maintenance department; but a trained technician from the company that built it.
Some things are about more than just an individuals personal liberties.
The hospitals underpaid maintenance team vrs a licensed tech from the manufacturer is a false dichotomy. The choice could easily be the hospital’s underpaid maintenance team or no repairs at all.
Realistically, they don’t put grandma on the vent because they won’t buy or keep a device they can’t afford to repair.
And why would the company spend more time/effort on their repair staff than the hospital? The company license is no guarantee they aren’t minimum wage nobodies.
Thing is, medical equipment suppliers should be held to higher standards than they are currently. If you’re providing medical equipment to be used in public healthcare: you should be responsible for maintaining and repairing it imo.
There should be a minimum requirement for repair/maintenance/warranty provided by the manufacturer.
Hospitals don’t invest in the ability to perform such repairs largely because of the liability involved, ontop of often being a poorly funded/staffed public service.
The company license is no guarantee they aren’t minimum wage nobodies.
No, but then the manufacturer is responsible for the quality of repair/maintenance performed by its staff.
If something goes wrong with the equipment; it’s on the equipment manufacturer instead of the hospital using it.
With a mandate on repair/maintenance; they’d be forced to provide quality service to survive.
Everything you just said applies to hospitals as well.
Any questions?
TL:DW?
Yes:
Did you actually read this thread and the replies in it, or were you just overwhelmed by the opportunity to post someone else’s thoughts instead of your own?
Just to verify, are we not allowed to share YouTube links on the subject being discussed?
Something at least point form of what the video is about would be helpful. I’m in public and don’t have headphones, I’m not going to watch a video (much less 3). If context is presented I might make a note to watch it when I get home.
You certainly can, it may get seen eventually. But I’m not going to sit through an hour of someone else’s content to figure out what point your trying to make.
If you won’t even put some effort in and write your own thoughts out, why should I spend my time researching what you think?
It’s the lack of effort that bothers me. Especially when my time is limited.
If you won’t even put some effort in
Finding and putting in those links took effort, and they’re germane to the conversation being had.
Perhaps you’re not judging ‘effort’ fairly?
They’re my thoughts. Have any counter points or are you just gonna foam at the mouth?
Odd, the YouTube channel says ‘LouisRossman’, not ‘Mango@lemmy.world’. Perhaps you are Louis incognito? Doesn’t seem likely.
Again; I’d recommend actually reading this thread. Specifically; the reply from vrek, if you couldn’t narrow that down for yourself.
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE RIGHT PERSON! WE CAN’T THINK THE SAME THINGS.
Didn’t Apple try and class their iPhones as game consoles a couple months back?
HVAC also makes sense because some idiots do things like using propane as a refrigerant in systems not designed for it, and then get a literal flamethrower next to their house.
People were able to do that before this law so what’s changed?
Honestly I tried to summarize what right ti repair is, but you’ll be better off actually looking into what this bill does.
Basically, for this application nothing changes. That’s kinda the point.
Aside from maybe HVAC dealing with refrigerant needing a licensed tech to work on, the rest of these not being included is such a scam.
It’s funny that this article doesn’t mention the one company that pretty much single handedly created the need for this legislation in the first place.
Apple
HP printers?
Future Motion?
You’ll notice that there is actually an insane number of companies that create the need for this.
this just in…Apple to stop selling devices in Oregon.
And HP will stop selling printers.
Keep going…I’m almost there…
Sorry to ruin the mood for you, but John Deere will continue to sell tractors.
Oh you blue-ballin’ son of a biscuit-eating bulldog.
I wonder if this will apply to generic printer cartridges
Cutouts for farm equipment. I guess John deer got ahold of the legislature
Either that or they felt they’d lose the fight where John Deer pulls out of Oregon.
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I have no issue with security devices requiring some sort of approval (which should be made available to self service), but devices like the screen, camera, battery, buttons, memory/storage, ports, speakers, etc, should be allowed whether or not they are factory.
In the eyes of apple the screen on an iPhone would act as a security device as it contains the fingerprint sensor.
Just FYI, iPhones don’t have fingerprint sensors in the screen. Older models with fingerprint sensors have a capacitive sensor in a physical home button/capacitive pad.
Newer iPhone’s exclusively use FaceID for biometrics, which uses the camera array at the top of the device.
Same with the camera, and probably something can be said about the ports too.
Should apple be allowed to completely close those off though? Nah
Now we need to do this California to seal the deal.
We need to modify the DMCA to truly address this
We need to eliminate the DMCA. From printer ink to abandon ware to simple ownership of products we purchase, the DMCA stands in the way at every step.
Is this actually good news? What can a single state do? Shouldn’t this be federal?
Special exceptions are hard to deal with when you’re mass producing. That’s why a fair amount of the rulings made by the European Union also end up applying to North America when it comes to international businesses.
It basically means someone like Apple has to decide between not selling in Oregon at all, making special phones for Oregon, or making all of their phones not have paired parts. It’s a pretty big thorn in their side, and it would only take a few more states to join in before they really have to start committing to a solution.
My guess: they’ll go the lawsuit route.
what kind of logic is that? A small victory is better than no victory
I can’t wait to get back to Oregon
Be careful what you wish for though. Electronics, and software in particular, rapidly drop in reliability as the parts stray from tightly restricted boundaries and become open to anyone. “Hey, this app crashes on my phone now.” Repairing a phone too wouldn’t be cheap either, you’d have to have someone soldering and resoldering a very fine circuit board. I think most people would just replace it.
This is literally nonsense fear mongering by someone who doesn’t understand how electronics and electronic repair work.
You don’t understand how consumer goods work
“We need to cut down the insane cycle of churning through personal electronics”
Translation: We need to slow down the pace of innovation!
The innovation of DRM and Intels SGX extention is the reason no current-gen PC can play 4K Blurays in 4K.
Of course they can! You just need to download your blurays from reputable sources.
Found Tim Cooks alt
Looking at their account, I’d honestly bet money that they’re an apple employee. Half of their posts and comments are about, and very much in favor of, Apple
Could be, although there are certainly no shortage of people willing to shill for massive companies.
What innovation would that be, exactly?
This has to be one of the stupidest takes ive seen. They aren’t innovating, they are making it so things break after set amounts of time, you cant repair it without massive headaches and the expense of proprietary parts, so people end up basically having to buy a new device that is either the exact same or had only a few changes to it but costs more money than the original. That’s not innovation, that’s just a cash grab.
If it means reducing waste… okay?
I don’t really need much innovation in my personal electronics, I’d still have an iPhone 3GS if it still worked.
