I’m done, I’ve been banned for expressing a different opinion (without insulting or personally attacking anyone), I’ve been accused of evading a ban with multiple accounts (this is my only account I’ve ever had on any lemmy instance), I’ve had people selectively ignore my comments and accuse me of things which I never said, and I’ve had people ignore valid criticisms and keep attacking me.
Reddit has many issues with trolls, one-sided discussion, and just general bullshit, but many Lemmy instances are way worse. The newfound freedom of Lemmy has attracted many extremists, from both sides, and many of them are moderators, who are more than happy to remove any contrarian opinions. This results in discussions being echo chambers
Lemmy (and reddit to a degree) is not like other social networks where you are lumped into one giant community. It’s many communities, and you’ll find that you are welcome in some and not welcome in others. That includes your politics and your views.
I don’t think I’d be very welcome in a community of conspiracy nuts, especially when I counter everything they say. I think they would remove me from that community at some point, and that’s okay, self policing of communities is okay. Sometimes you aren’t welcome.
Yes and that’s what I like about Lemmy. Each community decides what it’s about and how it’s members behave. It’s not much different from communities in real life.
What if they block you but coin themselves “the last bastion of free speach.”
I’m not sure what you’re getting at. This happens all the time and they’re just plain old hypocrites about it.
Then you were most likely blocked from a far-right-wing instance. Take it as a badge of honor.
Do you believe in aliens?
I do since I have watched those outstanding documentaries on history channel! Did you know that everything back in the past was either a landing spot or a battery? I mean, those brown people in the past clearly could not have chiseled those blocks, fucking barbaric tribespeople. They were ancient people and colored no less! It must have been aliens, right?
Check this out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
Not OP but, I think if space is as big as we think it is outside the observable universe, it’s very likely that they exist. I think it’s not very likely that they’ve visited us.
Every known civilization seems to burn their home atmosphere well before they achieve inter-system travel.
Do you have a single non-fiction example
Yes, in fact it’s pretty obvious.
So obvious you couldn’t give me anything, huh
She goes to a different school… or something.
Is this an unpopular opinion? My block list on Lemmy is like 4 times bigger than it was on Reddit.
More freedom means more spam and propaganda.
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I haven’t seen too many right wingers on lemmy. I think the lefties have managed to make it hostile enough to conservatives to deter the bulk of them
There are so many more extreme “leftists” that their beliefs seem to loop all the way around. Lots of people that want to see Trump win because “fuck America”. Lots of tankies that bootlick everything Russia and/or China do.
It’s not so much that there is a wraparound. Or any sort of “horseshoe”. It’s that authoritarians are authoritarian first. Notions of left or right boil down to what’s convenient to them as an afterthought.
The actual extreme leftists are generally pretty chill and supportive. Unlike authoritarians.
My block list is extremely large too. It seems someone wants to make a community for everything no matter now niche it is. And so many random anime comms I have to block as I am not a anime fan. I get the message when browsing all “you have blocked all posts on page x” so often it’s become an annoyance.
I would love if my app would let me block a community from the post on all. I do it SO often.
Voyager does, fwiw
Connect has a block community and block instance feature, give it a shot!
i have said this before, but don’t have the energy to do something about it: a problem in lemmy is, that there are no categories to subscribe or block. like if someone hates sports, he can’t block all sports, but must either subscribe everything but sports (impossible) or block/filter every new spots sub or sports post author (impossible as well)
Once in a while I search for communities I might like and subscribe to them. I then only browse my subscribed communities, so I don’t have to block communities. I think of it as white listing my Lemmy feed.
Browsing all and then blocking communities I don’t like seems like black listing. It seems like it’s a lot more work.
Yeah, it’s pretty funny how extreme some people are. Of course in real life they don’t say shit.
They probably do, but no one listens to the weird guy arguing with his reflection on the bus.
I prefer tagging people’s profiles, not sure if that’s just a sync feature though.
Still get to see their comments, but it has your tag for them next to their name so you can prepare yourself lol.
It’s almost getting too long.
I’ve considered going the other way, and only browse “subscribed” - but then I would miss smaller/newer posts & communities… so I leave it on “all” and block away.
And it grows every day. WHY can’t I just FUCKING BLOCK an instance yet! I guess shitjustworks doesn’t fucking work.
Edit: there is nothing worth seeing on blahaj.zone, ani.social, or hexbear. Period. Who will rid me of these meddlesome instances.
I mean, I like anime so ani.social is nice for me. There are some interesting discussion posts and memes I enjoy seeing from there. But the other two I have often found the users to be difficult to converse with, so I have them both blocked. Its unfortunate that blocking instances isn’t easier (I use Connect for Lemmy on Android, which supports blocking instances), but such is the price to pay for Lemmys very rapid expansion in such a short amount of time. Lemmy wasn’t ready for that kind of growth, and it has the growing pains to prove it. The experience will be somewhat poor for early adopters, but the newcomers will have it a bit better probably.
Here are some small pieces of advice for you, and anyone else who is interested:
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Block Lemmygrad.ml, because fascists.
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Block Lemmy.ml, because admins are fascists.
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Block Hexbear.net, because fascists and trolls.
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Block any user from Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, and the usual suspects from Lemmy.ml.
That’s it. 90% of toxicity is no more.
You have a strange definition of fascism. I’ve poked around in those instances to see what the fuss is about. They’re super far left and very much ideologically opposed to fascism. They’re something weird, but they’re definitely not fascists.
They idolize left authoritarians. And their talking points are summed up by if “the west” says it, the opposite is true. And they will argue with you.
So fascism is a term that is thrown around incorrectly a lot, blocking these people does help improve your Lemmy experience.
Based on my observations, some of them support present and past left-authoritarians, but most don’t. They’re definitely critical of the west, but I think there’s room for that criticism here.
It’s kind of funny when they post about Ukraine. They’re anti-NATO and anti-Putin, so they sometimes seem confused which side they’re on.
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2 party conflicts generally have 2 sides to choose from. I’d like to support Poland in the war between Ukraine and Russia but the mechanics of the act aren’t readily apparent.
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Sure, but subdividing isn’t particularly useful in this case. Russia quashes dissent with jail time, effectively creating a cohesive group through violence. Ukraine is a united front because it has to be. If someone were to begin talking about dissidents, that’d be an entirely different, and valuable, conversation. Speaking about the farmer whose barn was torched and grain stolen is still, to most, just talking about Ukraine.
What?
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I didn’t say or suggest people need to pick a side.
You are very correct. This is why we argue so much on Lemmy; so many people think you have to pick between two sides.
They support Russia and the CCP, both of which have the warning signs of Fascism. Even if you want to call it something else, doesn’t change that it’s terrible.
Fascists believe in inequality based on identity. And most on lemmygrad agree that Russia is a far right regime.
I don’t know lemmygrad. I know lemmy.ml and gave up on that when I was just having the same discussions, and the same debunking points over and over again. I don’t have the energy for politics 24/7, especially when I don’t think any predominate political group cares about me or the problems I care about.
Yikes, seems like the American right wing is fascist too. What’s bizarre about all of this is that the tankies are very much opposed to the American right too. So they’re anti-fascist? It seems that they’re so opposed to western capital that they’ll cheer for some really shitty governments because they’re also fighting western capital.
They aren’t left in any meaningful way. Let alone far left. What they are is wildly hypocritical and authoritarian. While they are technically not fascists. Realistically they’re nearly identical. They are both both authoritarian ideologies. With no room for any meaningful right or left. And should you dissent you will find yourself silenced or killed just the same as any other authoritarian/fascist government structure.
No, that’s not really correct. They’re pro-democracy since true communism requires democracy. They believe western governments have been captured by capitalists and therefore need to be opposed. That’s why they tend to cheer for authoritarian regimes because they’re fighting what they consider to be the good fight. They believe that once western capitalism has been defeated, communism can finally flourish, since the only reason communist governments are authoritarian is to protect themselves from the west.
True, communism does require democracy. Which is why they aren’t truly communist or democratic. Democracy is kind of the opposite of silencing and killing those that go against the party. Ya know? Lol next you’ll try to tell me that North Korea is actually a Democratic People’s Republic.
Okay don’t listen. Whatever.
I’ve heard it several times. It doesn’t get any more true no matter how much you repeat it. It would take another revolution before they would actually switch to communism. ML are just about as bad as the imperialist capitalists they hate in most measures. Far worse in others. They both suck in their whataboutism of the other.
What am I repeating? You’re trying to have an argue against points I am not making. Go to lemmygrad if you want to argue with them.
They sure like to glorify countries that will arrest or kill you for being gay. So there’s that.
Which is bizarre, done since they screen for lgbt haters when you try to sign up
Found the fascist! /s
^I’m ^just ^referencing ^the ^movie ^and ^being ^silly, ^not ^actually ^calling ^you ^a ^hag ^lol
They’re super far left and very much ideologically opposed to fascism.
They deleted a comment in which I quoted the first line of the Wikipedia article on social democracy. The reason given was “misinformation”.
Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, forcible suppression of opposition.
I can very much see how that would apply.
I would argue that fascism is indeed characterized by those things, but fascism is associated with the right, not the left. You’re not a fascist if your trying to create equality for all, even if your actions are crazy. It’s something else, but not facism.
Well, it’s gonna be hard to accurately label all the mad authoritarian bastards we’ve had.
Some called Stalinism “red fascism”, but yes, I do get your point.
My point is rather that, like “literally”, “fascism” has started veering away from the prescriptive, “official” meaning it has, and more towards a (colloquial) generalised term for autocrats and authoritarian behaviour. Colloquial language is what it is, unfortunately.
Yeah I know. I think it’s mostly people new to the topic not understanding the nuances. But that still worries me since it seems wrong to lump communists in the same group as fascists. Seems almost sinister imo. The two groups could not stand for more different things.
It’s problematic that a lot of people conflate communism with fascism and/or authoritarianism.
Communism might be ideological, sure, but it’s not a form of government, it’s an economic system. No, I don’t believe any preplanned economy (which “real” communism sort of requires) would work in this day and age. However, I can definitely imagine it working in the far future.
It’s not especially well explained how the economy works in Star Trek, but that is communism, and I don’t see much fascism there.
(CCCP was autocratic communism, just so we’re clear on what their system of government was.)
I believe it’s largely due to the red scare. Which is also why so many Americans and (wannabe-American libertarians) conflate “socialism” with “communism”. The same people also have a milder issue, conflating “capitalism” with “market economy.”
I literally had a guy tell me “fascism is preferable to communism”. And this guy lives in Finland and was from an academic bourgeoisie family, so should have basic education on what fascism actually is.
But no, they don’t fucking get it.
I used to wonder, as a younger man, how on Earth the Nazi ever gathered enough support. I thought it’s maybe one of those “fool me once” things, and people in the early 20th century weren’t as connected or literate as we are.
But now it’s happening again? Despite us having seen what happened last time? Despite us having unlimited connections to literally the whole world and it’s information?
It just… depresses me so. I want to fight the windmills, but always having to fight alone is exhausting.
Yeah it’s actually refreshing to see their pov on things, don’t always agree but they bring up good points
hexbear in particular is very supportive of marginalized groups and positive in general. I’m glad lemm.ee didn’t defederate with the ml boogeymen
I put up with hexbear for awhile, but I ended up blocking them eventually.
Sure, they don’t mind explaining their points if you’re careful about asking. But god forbid you express disagreement. If you aren’t with them completely, you’re a fascist.
If you disagree with American imperialism constantly overthrowing every government in existence, and israel doing Genocide, you are a Fascist!
Here’s the thing, if you disagree with American imperialism but you’re actively cheering on Russian imperialism, you’re a hypocrite.
It’s fine to be polarized against the actions of the American government. There are quite a lot of people who are, even within the states. It’s fine to be polarized against the west. Being at least wary of the west permeates pretty much everywhere in the east.
It’s not fine to call out imperialism from the west with one side of your mouth and praise imperialism from the east with the other side. And brother, I haven’t met someone on the tankie communities that doesn’t get a hard on simping for the Russian war.
simping for the Russian war.
They’ll say Russia is bad if you push them.
And then they’ll continue to defend Putin literally every chance they get.
Basically. After omitting that user base things are much better, if still healthily combative.
This is part of the problem. People believing you but you are just calling peoples opinions you disagree with fascist lol. Most of these communities are communist afaik
Most of these communities call themselves communists, but fall are so knee deep in logic fallacies, you spend more time picking their arguments apart then having a conversation. I gave up on lemmy.ml, because it was only a matter of time before I got banned anyway. Way too many people are basically “west/America bad, ergo Russia/CCP good.”
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This really isn’t unpopular. If anything I would say this is the more popular opinion
Oh, Lemmy is much worse in this regard. There are a lot of “normal” discussions on reddit, with a lot of “normal” users participating in them. Here the ratio of extremists is much higher.
I’ve found it to be precisely the opposite. You may be commenting in some particularly toxic instances.
I agree, it is impossible to hold a contrarian view in a lot of subs. The mods and the user base on Lemmy have a very narrow range of their views than the spectrum that you find on Reddit. It is basically an echo chamber in a lot of subs.
The active user base is also soo much smaller that a handful of posters can be seen in certain subs. I see the same people posting over and over at a much higher rate than I saw on Reddit.
So are you posting good content to help the issue? Or are you just posting “contrarian” opinions?
I’ve never had a problem being banned and I argue with Tankies and Right Wing Chuds all the time (well I mostly just block the Chuds). It sounds like your comments are just bad enough to warrant a block.
I have detailed comments about how both Hamas and the IDF are bad. Here’s one: “Hamas is a criminal organization that is terrible at government. It’s Israel’s fault for letting them grow to be so dangerous. The IDF and Hamas are both bad for the people of Palestine and Israel.”
No ban!
Have you tried on hexbear or .ml?
I got banned for explaining the history of ethnic violence in China. Specifically when I brought up a quote about the dangers of Han chauvinism, which of course was called “reactionary”. The quote was from Mao.
Yes, but… lol. They know very little about Marx, Stalin, Mao, or any of the differences between them. The USSR and the PRC only cooperated when they had to.
It’s amazing how “Capitalist” countries can have international relations based on shared ideals and “Communist” countries have mostly transactional relationships. Reminds me of college where the “Daily Worker” was the only paper that cost money. 🤣
Ok wasn’t just me then.
Yep, got a ban on ML without even realizing what was going on and just for asking who people should vote for besides Biden if we weren’t voting for Biden. That was considered “reactionary” and “reddit” behavior. Was also cited Mao where he says that anyone who doesn’t fully understand all aspects of an issue has no right to ask questions–they literally believe that.
Was also cited Mao where he says that anyone who doesn’t fully understand all aspects of an issue has no right to ask questions–they literally believe that.
Yeah… Sounds about right. That sub likes to latch onto some pretty fundamental misunderstandings of Mao’s writings.
The real quote is “NO INVESTIGATION, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK”. Which basically boils down to - you should probably do some research before arguing with people.
Which on it’s face value is pretty generic, but decent advise. What it doesn’t mean is that you can’t question someone else’s viewpoint.
I think the most ironic part of this is in that same essay Mao writes about the importance of self criticism, and argues that we shouldn’t inherently trust appeals to authority.
"It is quite wrong to take a formalistic attitude and blindly carry out directives without discussing and examining them in the light of actual conditions simply because they come from a higher organ. "
That sub likes to pretend they spend time reading theory, when in reality its just an echo chamber that amplifies the vapid view point of a couple different active users. Users whom like to pretend that every bad decision the CCP ever made were errors forced upon them by the West. Even when it’s something like the cultural revolution, which even the CCP itself has admitted was misguided.
I am so thankful to read this comment. My experiences with them really left me feeling confused. It is good to understand that I was not alone in these experiences.
Imo they saw how effective shit posting on Reddit was for nursing extremist right wing views and decided to copy the formula. However, they didn’t understand that the motivation for fascist are fundamentally antithetical to what motivates most socialist.
Fascist are fueled by divisive propaganda, dividing and conquering your foes. While socialism is fueled by collectivism, turning your enemy into your friends via mutual support.
Wow. This is precisely what I’ve observed.
In my experience your views aren’t really contrarian to that of the majority of Lemmy users and mods. Your pretty mainstream and vanilla here.
Try taking a pro Israel stance or pro 2A stance and see how long it will be until you are banned even if you follow all sub rules.
Why would I take a pro-death stance? If you are being dumb, people are going to tell you. Welcome to the real world. Free speech doesn’t mean people have to listen to you.
Thank you for making my point for me.
Actually they pretty much drove over your point and then put the car into reverse.
Yeah for a bunch of the subs on here I see the most common comments are the “circlejerky” responses despite being wrong or misleading but there’s no point correcting it cause the traffic is so low and it takes too much effort.
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You’re spot on correct. Lemmy has become a safe-haven for both tankies, and right-with trolls disguising themselves as tankies. And if you find yourself responding to some of their propaganda in the wrong community/instance…. It’s an insta-ban. No questions asked or answered. No appeal.
Ohhhh nooooo. Whatever will we do without your rationalization of genocide and blocking strikes?
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Ive this one tagged as “Russian shill.” Theres a bunch of these whose primary purpose on lemmy seems to be spouting as much kremlin approved talking points as possible, often attempting so lowkey, all while projecting absolutely nonhuman levels of confidence. They typically show up with at least a couple alt accounts just to upvote all their “opinions,” and downvote dissenters.
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Are you saying everybody who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election is going to vote for him again? And if not where do you suppose those people are sharing their perspective?
characterizing their legitimate complaints as with manufactured or outrage is just a rhetorical device. it doesn’t address what they said at all.
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Blocking strikes and supporting genocide. Is this the first time you’re hearing those complaints?
this is just more rhetoric
Buddy, manufactured or not I’m not voting for Biden again. I’ll be voting 3rd party or write in. If you think Biden needs my vote to defeat Trump then you best get on Biden to start compromising with leftists and progressives.
It’s truly crazy to me how you all think that continuing to repeat the same tired arguments is going to change our minds. It won’t. It’s time to focus your energy on something that might have an effect. Try calling out moderates for refusing to compromise. Call Biden out for refusing to compromise.
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Moderates are the major voting bloc of the Democrat party. They hold the lions share of the responsibility for how the candidate they chose in the 2020 primaries does in the general elections.
The rest of us are trying to keep this ship floating for everyone. Either help, or hop out.
If Biden is going to continue to block strikes and support genocide I’m out. If you want my help then give us a seat at the table. Compromise on some policy decisions. If the only way you’re willing to try to keep the ship floating is by screaming at people to vote for someone who refuses to compromise with them you have nothing to offer.
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How about you compromise with leftists and progressives if you need their votes so badly?
Not voting for the lesser of two evils leaves room for the greater of two evils to take root
The people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries voted for the greater evil.
Shit post, or actually an honest opinion?
If that’s an honest opinion, what’s your reasoning?
Not trying to bust your balls or anything, just curious.
Biden is a strike blocking, genocide supporting procorporate piece of shit.
Ahh, sorry I misread where you specified “primaries” in your original statement. No real mystery there.
I thought it was originally pertaining to Trump vs Biden. My bad.
No worries sir :)
I get your frustration. I’ve seen a few of your posts around, and seen some people harp on you because of what they perceive to be your politics. I personally haven’t delved into your posting history, but (take this with a grain of salt) you may need to develop a thicker skin online.
People feel more empowered to say what they feel online - just like you’ve been doing. It’s easy and you are fairly shielded with your online identity. Mods and admins have this privilege as well, and fair or not, you do have to abide by their rules or leave.
Sometimes that’s a hard pill to swallow. Nobody likes to accept defeat; especially when they feel passionately about something.
Good luck with whichever direction turn you choose to go.
2 months ago I had my main Reddit account banned because I reported someone for inciting violence. They literally said word for word “they should just go into Gaza and kill them all, women, children, all deserve death after today.” I reported him and went on about my day only to find that I was permanently banned from Reddit, no appeals work and this on r/WorldNews not some weird niche subreddit.
This does not surprise me one bit from r worldnews. When I last used that sub (2021? Not sure actually), mod abuse was already rampant and correcting popular blatant misinformation, would get you voted down massively, even when you provided a solid source and explanation. A truly rotten sub. Animetitties (seriously) was a far better sub for following and discussing world news. At a certain point, there will have been no active mods with any integrity left in r worldnews and I suspect that that point was years ago. The whole reddit moderation system does seem fundamentally flawed, which was especially noticeable in the default subs.
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Block whole communities. That’s what I started doing. There’s one instance that I would like to block but that feature isn’t available yet as far as I’m aware. Reddit was the same way around 10 years ago, it’s been pruned and censored to the point where it’s more appealing to the average worldwide user. I don’t want that to happen to Lemmy; not to sound dismissive, but utilize your block list instead of calling for more/better mods.
Unfortunately Lemmy.world hasn’t moved to version 0.19.x or else you would have the ability to block instances
Heavily waiting on this. Can’t browse ALL without being spammed by lemmynsfw.
This is another instance I would like to block. The onlyfans brigade is strong on lemmy.
Worse: I’m gay so I can’t even enjoy the accidental peak.
It’s not even enjoyable for me because it’s literal spam posts. It’s like the old school sex phone commercials. Doesn’t matter what the hot girl is doing or saying in the commercial, just put my show back on.
The communities you block can still brigade the threads you read though.
Instance blocking exists now, I used to ban all hexbear communities when I saw them pop up, but now I just have a blanket ban on anything hexbear, so I dont need to do that anymore
Did you do it through an app or browser?
I’m on lemm.ee on browser, I’m an old fart who refuses to download apps when it can be done over the internet
I’m not even that old (no offense) and I do that too. I’ll use apps if it doesn’t collect any data, and preferably FOSS, like Voyager. Anyways, thanks for the tip, I’ll log in on browser for my instance blocking needs.
Edit: jk, according to another comment, it’s not available on lemmy.world at the moment. Soon though.
I’ve blocked at least 50 porn communities in the last 5 months. Probably more.
I would probably still use reddit, but basically gave up on it when i could no longer block subreddits, yet they could still block me.
Lemmy is getting bad FAST with virtue signaling in particular. It’s like the worst of the worst when it comes to things like that left Reddit and came here. So much tiny little bullshit gets twisted in to what a horrible a disgusting person you are and blah blah blah.
I really do like this alternative but… It’s turning pretty fucking toxic fast. I’m scared what road it’s going down.
And everyone says to just ban or block, but the problem is they’re brainwashing people that don’t know to look out for it They need to not exist; not for us to just hide from them.
Thank you for this post. It’s become unbearable and I felt like I was in a tiny minority for feeling this way.
If you have the energy to fight it, then fight it. If you dont, ban or block. Leaving the site itself has the same lack of impact against propaganda as deciding this fight isnt for you and banning and blocking. Change is hard
My reasoning is that the people should be the “mods” essentially. If one community gets blocked by the majority of the people, then it might as well not exist. It will eventually die out through not enough people upvoting/downvoting, commenting, and basically interacting with them at all. The “any publicity is good publicity” saying applies to anything on the Internet.
Every topic has an opinion where the majority of people share that opinion. If you go against that opinion on reddit, you go to a niche sub or accept being drowned out. Here, due to the smaller population, there isn’t a viable way to maintain niche subs. That means we have to see each other’s opinions, thus you see arguments from polar opposites… Echo chambers?
I don’t think there is anything reddit could do to draw me back. It’s digg all over again.
Digg is ironically decent as a random article curating site now, no voting or anything just whatever the owner wants up.
It’s made of the same people. Same jackasses, same dipshits, same echo chamber circlejerkers.
