It was fun while it lasted. The recent addition of PGP support was very welcome, and I thought that such support might have been a sign that they were in it for the long-term with the email product, but I thought wrong.
Dear Skiff Community,
We are excited to share that Skiff is joining Notion.
Skiff’s mission is to bring freedom to the internet by helping people collaborate and communicate with freedom and privacy. We see a deep alignment with Notion’s vision to build a connected workspace and enable everyone to build tools that reflect their values.
We’re extremely excited to accelerate our mission by joining forces with Notion’s world-class team. We sincerely hope that the Skiff community will join us for this next stage of our journey. We’re pursuing big plans for making all of our online lives freer and more empowered, and these plans will carry forward directly the ambitions we’ve strived for alongside the Skiff community.
As we begin to shift focus to our shared efforts with Notion, we will be closing down Skiff’s product suite after a 6-month sunset period We are deeply appreciative of the trust users have extended to us, and we are committed to honoring that trust by ensuring that all data on Skiff is easily exportable. For the next 6 months, Skiff services will continue to operate without disruption, and users can freely duplicate, migrate, or export data. You can now also set up a forwarding address to redirect mail to any other provider.
Our commitment to privacy and security is unchanged. All user data remains end-to-end encrypted, and Skiff products will never monetize your data. Accounts and data on Skiff will not be converted into Notion accounts.
We encourage you to export your data and migrate custom domains within the next 6 months. We’ve prepared this guide to make that process as easy as possible. For any other questions, our support team is readily available via the in-app “Send feedback” option or at support@skiff.org.
The Skiff community has lifted, inspired, and energized us at every step. We are humbled by your support and we apologize for any disappointment or inconvenience this change may cause you. We remain as committed as ever to bringing about the vision for a better internet that brought us together. Thank you for being part of the Skiff family, and we look forward to continuing to serve you with our future efforts.
Sincerely, Skiff Team
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We’re pursuing big plans for making all of our online lives freer and more empowered, and these plans will carry forward directly the ambitions we’ve strived for alongside the Skiff community.
That’s some nice corporate speak right there.
Fuck this guy and fuck Notion too.
I run an email service, and it seems pretty awful to me to sell your company and not stipulate that the email domain should be migrated to another provider. Forcing your users to migrate away from their addresses is really rude.
So glad I didn’t switch my email to them but sad that another promising service is gone.
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Even if he was sometimes right, it always came off as skiffy
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I was really enjoying using Skiff Pages as an alternative to Google Docs. Glad I didn’t get more entrenched before they pulled this stunt. So disappointing.
The mobile apps were garbage to begin with. So you were never going to go that deep in the first place. Even the basic copy-and-paste does not work. And it was damn slow.
Came here looking for this, I just got the email. I do not use their email service as a main email, so I wont be missing a lot. Still disappointing however, but not really surprised.
Oh come on, I was just about to move my calendar there from outlook
Anyone know of another privacy friendly calendar that has a nice and lightweight desktop app?
Haven’t used it yet, but Proton has a beta desktop app that might be what you’re looking for.
Just checked their gh, it’s an electron app :(
I don’t see any desktop app on their site
Ah my bad, it doesn’t have that itself, however: there is Thunderbird 🐦
I’m assuming that would requiring using caldav or whatever, thus no more encryption
I tried it. It is basically the webpage but in app form. I couldn’t even find any app specific settings or anything. Nevertheless, it works as expected, I haven’t had any bugs pop up. The calendar part is on the right side in a column that you can expand and minimize.
At this point, to remain anonymous online, you may as well not even get online anymore.
I might just be dumb… But does this mean that in 6 months I just don’t have an email there anymore? I didn’t see any kind of messaging about transitioning services, just like, ‘grab what you can and GTFO.’
But does this mean that in 6 months I just don’t have an email there anymore?
Yes, sounds like it. I can imagine that they have decided for this path, instead of a server migration Skiff->Notion, to make sure that previous non paying Skiff users do pay at Notion if they choose for Notion.
We are excited to share that Skiff is joining Notion.
Always felt shifty with their marketing attempts “hey, this looks really cool. It has this extensive list of features. I’ve not tried it, what do you think?”.
Feels I was right to be skeptical. Email is sensitive information and not something you can quickly jump to new shiny thing in town. Proton mail is king for me, but at least Tuta been around a while.
The enshitfication is real
MAKE PRODUCT AT LOSS
GET CAPITOL TO MAKE PRODUCT LOOK BIGGER
SELL PRODUCT FOR MORE THAN SPENT
FIRE EVERYONE TO “MAKE SUSTAINABLE” (LIE)
LEAVE WITH GOLDEN PARACHUTE
REPEAT TILL YOU CAN BUY ENOUGH PROPERTIES TO RAISE SHITHEAD KID WHO WILL RUIN YOUR FORTUNE
Sad. I switched from Tuta kinda recently because Tuta’s UI was just bad and no PGP support. Looks like I’m going to start using the paid Proton plan.
Lessons to learn:
STOP SHILLING EVERY NEW PRIVACY SERVICE PROVIDER
STOP FALLING FOR PRIVACY/SECURITY SNAKE OIL MARKETING
STOP HYPING STUFF TO CREATE ARTIFICIAL ACTIVITY IN PRIVACY COMMUNITY
I always thought skiff was sus. I think there was a youtube sponsor video with them or something. Immediately smelled fishy.
I like to make a conscious effort to move from GMail and Outlook (even though i have a rare @live account with just my first name as the handle) but I also don’t want to move away from ThunderBird and FairMail. Skiffs client sucked and Tutanota client sucks less, but it came no where near to thunderbird. I get why they do it, but even then, full PGP auto email was only supported between two tutanota users
