I would like to have a real discussion on how to prevent an authoritative communist economy or one without the present of a dictatorship. The major reason (in my opinion) why communism doesn’t work is because of greed and power, to many individuals want to manipulate and control the populace. How can we prevent a dictatorship rule and still have genuine communism. Even if you actually broke up cities, towns, municipals into “Communes” you still have the human emotion of jealously and selfishness. I love the idea of Communism and I have wrote a ton on the subject but I can’t come up with the idea of “protection” from itself.
I like how Godfree Roberts stated this https://www.quora.com/profile/Godfree-Roberts
Maybe I’m more referring to an “Anarchic” system. Blockchain I mean as a way of preventing corruption using automation and contracts. Freedom I am referring to everyones’s right to free healthcare , education, shelter, and food. Communes , individual places like towns and cities and whatnot. Using a “contract” through blockchain to only have a consensus based on the rules governing those communes. Using a system like that makes it much harder for corruption to intertwine into the system itself. Take Stalin in Russia , making Ukrainians provide all the food. So I think technology if done correctly could really make communism an actual proof of concept of course the technology would have to expand to keep up with ideas and logical reasoning but I do believe it could work. The determining factor for having communism is for humans to be a “community” to work together based on a classes system.
And how are you to implement such a system using blockchain? It’s a thing that requires a lot of computers and a huge wastage of energy comes with it. So not only is it built on a requirement of expensive technology, this technology itself requires huge supply chains, mines, factories, power plants, universally accepted software, programmers, system administrators and more. The things I’ve listed are required to provide the things necessary for it to exist materially and not socially. Now, how are we to remove corruption with this system? How will laws be passed, how will they be executed, how will they be tracked, where will the blockchain be stored, how will the global south adjust to this techbro thinking of unnecessarily complicating and over-engineering solutions to problems that have easier ones available and without the sneer given to us by those privileged in the north.
These very important resources ought to managed more reasonably to the benefit of the whole population of a country, and not for some stupid chasing of idealism just for the sake of it.
Now stepping a bit back, how are we to implement automation. The machines and software require constant maintenance to ensure it working properly at all times. Next, who is to say these contracts will be upheld by anyone if there is no one willingly enforce them. Why even bother with such an over-complicated system?
Pure idealism, only words without substance. We can’t just expect the future to somehow be done correctly, if you can’t find ways to do it correctly now.
Class collaborationism??? On my lemmygrad.ml???
In the end, it probably won’t change anything in regards to corruption and better, actually working, measures ought to be used. Authoritarian means, you could say. I believe you mean well, but your thoughts and methods are very unrefined and prone to extreme scrutiny on the base they stand on. Not details, the whole basis.
I said its an idea not a perfect solution, and you don’t have to have huge wastage of resources to run a blockchain. I see all these posts on Reddit, forums, 3chan and other sites. Not a single one of them are actually talking about any kind solutions only that they want communism. That’s why I posted this is the first place, to talk about solutions to brainstorm ideas not just to tear my idea apart lol. Also you can enforce contracts via control systems like industrial control systems. Also blockchain doesn’t mean “currency” , its way to make sure nothing can be changed it immutable. Class collaborationism??? On my lemmygrad.ml??? – yep you have to learn by past mistakes right.
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I know. Still doesn’t change the fact of how destructive it is for most of the applications it can be laid to and is proposed for, not just currency. The idea of immutable contracts is destructive in itself by disallowing any and all change, especially if the technology uses something like Etherium to base itself on. So destructive not only resourcefully, but also socially.
Now it would be nice to present a better solution as you’d like to see one, fair enough. But saying that somehow all people against blockchain are communists, is just dishonest. (Also how is 4chan having communists on there?? The closest thing you have is leftypol lol)
Continuing; the better system for fighting corruption, as that was the original topic, is the very powerful, strict and centralized Chinese approach. It’s been proven to work well, and has punished many lower and higher ranking officials for stepping out of line (that being working for the benefit of the people).
They are doing fine without the blockchain. But what is required is the dictatorship of the proletariat, because blockchain or not it is required to meaningfully fight corruption for the benefit of the people. Otherwise nothing would change in dictatorships of the bourgeoisie since corruption is more of a benefit to them rather than a hindrance.
https://www.globalcompliancenews.com/anti-corruption/handbook/anti-corruption-in-china/
https://www.insider.com/china-punished-over-600000-officials-amid-xis-corruption-clampdown-2022-1
Going back to your original post
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My ass.
The collapse of the Soviet Union and Socialist bloc is more complicated than ‘muh corrupt individuals’. Second of all you hold the misconception that communist parties somehow implemented communism, but that is a common misconception to have. The stage most often discussed can be called socialism, but others (for example in calling China) use the term Worker’s State.
Any idea claiming itself to be a solution must at least hold a good basis, as I said previously the use of blockchain does not. What I would call an imperfect solution are the roads AES countries have to take and their implementations. Many of them are imperfect, could be better and/or different but that doesn’t detract from their basis which clearly has proven itself to work.
Blockchain doesn’t really hold a candle, even theoretically.
What will these contracts be used for that we don’t have a solution already for, why not a centralized system everyone can easily access and use, from their phone maybe? Like I don’t know, the online banking system? (Yes, yes thinking in the case of currency. The system itself can also be used for other things, just like blockchain!)
Also, when it comes to enforcing a centralized system that already exists is a better basis to form things around. Also blockchain doesn’t really enforce anything, if it’s not destructive and holds no value, otherwise a third party would be needed to enforce any misstep from contracts ensuring they are not broken. If this third party would also be decentralized just as the blockchain, then we get onto warlordism, which also has simpler solutions for it’s problems. And continuing further and further is just stupid.
Yeah, the mistakes of the Social Democrats are not to be repeated in the fight for Socialism. No mercy shall be given to the bourgeoisie, and no collaboration can be made without having a plan to one up and destroy them.
I urge you to stay more on /c/communism and read some of the material we have around here. There is plenty to learn about communism and what it actually is, as you hold many misconceptions about it. Don’t worry most of us did too, it’s nothing wrong.
Great post , thank you for this. I will keep working on this idea. The reason “why decentralized” is because if its “Central” I can take over it , decentralized meaning I can’t especially using a blockchain or and immutable database.
Taking over a centralized thing might be difficult when all big actors are taken out of an equation, for example no big companies existing and ruining something centralized we all used to love. Example being GitHub getting constantly worse since Microsoft acquired it, they did so legally and didn’t have to fight GitHub for it which is a problem of capitalist countries, thus decentralization gains popularity as to protect ourselves from such threats. This is inherently good! But after removing these malefactors, centralized systems would pretty much be the better option for safety as well productivity.
Also just in case, centralized doesn’t mean a single system, or in a single place. But in control of a group or a set of groups but still not available to just anyone to change and or modify.
Also, I’m always happy to help.
I’m not worried about “big companies FANG” with centralized systems. I am more worried about a “centralized place to hack”. It’s almost a 10x advantage to takeover a centralized server (or server farm) then it is to via P2P. Unless I can (theory) infect one client to distribute a virus and that’s even if the security controls are the same for all clients. Regardless of controls for a centralized system , you have too many bugs , and if that server software isn’t modular it only take one RCE exploit for me to own it (in theory).