There’s a great show about families going there for a better life from here. It’s called coming from America. Worth a watch. Not everything is perfect there but people from here can own land and feel free.
Feels like a bit of a null question. Africa isn’t a monolith, there’s north/south/central/etc etc. A fully communist africa wouldn’t make sense at all, it would be like saying a communist europe. Which, europe’s a continent full of different countries, with ideological differences.
[Most] americans (westerners in general maybe? I don’t know how negative anti-capitalism was viewed as a result of the cold war beyond the US) would probably avoid it completely if it was socialist (which as of now, i don’t recall any leftist government in africa.)
Anyway, africa has been socialist before (at least, north africa). Afaik, under Gamal Abdel-nasser in Egypt with Nasserism (i have a mixed view of nasser, personally.) And Gaddafi with the Third international theory (yeah fuck this guy lmao) [north] africa was socialist. Both were dictators, unfortunately.
My views on nasser are mixed, since he was an anti-imperialist willing to stand up against western imperialism and wanted to unite arabs. But… he also turned egypt into a military dictatorship, putting their tentacles in everything. Make of that what you will, though.
That’s exactly my plan C if the lunatics start WW3 suddenly.
Reachable from Europe and less likely to explode.
But I hope to find a perfect spot before that in an organised way.
Imagine if Africa gets their own Frontex, start pushing our boats back, shooting and drowning us far away from prying eyes.
“Here, have some of those European values you keep talking about!”
There wouldn’t be any migration if Europe, which has practically nothing of what they need has been leeching on Africa, the most resourceful continent.
You can’t compare the 2.
True, but I was surprised tho when I first heard of him and his succes.
“Brazil? The smiley samba sunshine people where most people aren’t even white voting for a fascist?”
The far-right in Europe seems to have lost momentum a bit-- for now. The far-right parties in government in Sweden and Netherlands proved themselves incompetent and lost support. The support on German AfD stagnated. Meloni has shown to be more moderate than expected (well, not quite but that’s a long story). And Le Pen has been prosecuted, but I think this is not enough to actually kill the French far-right movement so long as the French government still practice neoliberal policies. But I think the major factor that made Europeans think twice now about gravitating towards fascism is after witnessing the shit show in America and Musk’s overt election interference in Europe. I should not be laughing, but what a laugh the three months of Trump administration has been!
I will be honest, I thought that Trump will continue with his fascist-adjacent/fascist-lite policies from his first term. Looks like in this term, he is out for vengeance and doubled down!
I always see xenophobia and racism as different level in the same category. Like, the former is “milder” and something as I, as an immigrant, could overlook. The latter is far more hateful and intolerant.
Fascism is on the rise in Europe too so maybe go to Japan or something
They’re extremely racist, which is a huge plus, just like the Swiss flag 🇨🇭
Like plenty countries, but it only becomes a problem when it’s also against whites.
True. Australia and New Zealand are our last hope
Fascists on the rise in Australia too sadly. New Zealand is very isolationist and anti immigration.
Brazil is good. Nice food, people and forests.
Would be ironic if we had to go to Africa because life there is better.
… after decades of relentlessly repeating how much better we have it that “poor children in africa” especially.
There’s a great show about families going there for a better life from here. It’s called coming from America. Worth a watch. Not everything is perfect there but people from here can own land and feel free.
btw, do you think americans would still go to africa if it turns out to be/become communistic? i.e., no or restricted private ownership of land, …
Feels like a bit of a null question. Africa isn’t a monolith, there’s north/south/central/etc etc. A fully communist africa wouldn’t make sense at all, it would be like saying a communist europe. Which, europe’s a continent full of different countries, with ideological differences.
[Most] americans (westerners in general maybe? I don’t know how negative anti-capitalism was viewed as a result of the cold war beyond the US) would probably avoid it completely if it was socialist (which as of now, i don’t recall any leftist government in africa.)
Anyway, africa has been socialist before (at least, north africa). Afaik, under Gamal Abdel-nasser in Egypt with Nasserism (i have a mixed view of nasser, personally.) And Gaddafi with the Third international theory (yeah fuck this guy lmao) [north] africa was socialist. Both were dictators, unfortunately.
My views on nasser are mixed, since he was an anti-imperialist willing to stand up against western imperialism and wanted to unite arabs. But… he also turned egypt into a military dictatorship, putting their tentacles in everything. Make of that what you will, though.
That’s exactly my plan C if the lunatics start WW3 suddenly.
Reachable from Europe and less likely to explode.
But I hope to find a perfect spot before that in an organised way.
It’d be hilarious to see a reverse migration.
Imagine if Africa gets their own Frontex, start pushing our boats back, shooting and drowning us far away from prying eyes.
“Here, have some of those European values you keep talking about!”
Africa is beautiful, the only issue is safety.
Countries like namibia/botswana probably have less of these issues as well.
They fully have the right to refuse us.
For many, many reasons.
hey that’s racist (slight /s as that is literally the reasoning that i see many people use here as an argument why to not block immigration)
There wouldn’t be any migration if Europe, which has practically nothing of what they need has been leeching on Africa, the most resourceful continent.
You can’t compare the 2.
Those nice people made a fascist president there not too long ago.
(He also made sure there was a lot less forest)
Yeah, but who doesn’t have fascists? At least they’re prosecuting theirs. Bolsonaro can’t stand for elections no more.
So, at least they’re back to the status quo, where they destroy the planet slowly.
Y’all think fascism is unique to white people?
Woops wrong comment to reply to
True, but I was surprised tho when I first heard of him and his succes.
“Brazil? The smiley samba sunshine people where most people aren’t even white voting for a fascist?”
Brazil is super diverse to be fair. And it’s one the largest countries on the planet.
I like what Gusteau from ratatouille has to say about this - “Anyone can be a facist, but only the stupidest can be great at it”
Also Anton’s “Not everyone can become a great facist, but a great facist can come from anywhere”
Saying that could be seen as extremely racist of you.
The far-right in Europe seems to have lost momentum a bit-- for now. The far-right parties in government in Sweden and Netherlands proved themselves incompetent and lost support. The support on German AfD stagnated. Meloni has shown to be more moderate than expected (well, not quite but that’s a long story). And Le Pen has been prosecuted, but I think this is not enough to actually kill the French far-right movement so long as the French government still practice neoliberal policies. But I think the major factor that made Europeans think twice now about gravitating towards fascism is after witnessing the shit show in America and Musk’s overt election interference in Europe. I should not be laughing, but what a laugh the three months of Trump administration has been!
Incompetence, it seems, is what is valued here in America to go up the ranks.
I will be honest, I thought that Trump will continue with his fascist-adjacent/fascist-lite policies from his first term. Looks like in this term, he is out for vengeance and doubled down!
that’s actually a bit reassuring to know
Be real careful. We thought we were turning the corner a few years ago, too. Seems so long ago.
As a Japanese, I think Japan has always been a fascists’ country. The flavor of nazism did change from German one to American one after WW2, though
Japanese are starting to hate gaijin. Because of disrespectful tourists and “influencers”.
https://youtu.be/BR7B0Pjh3lE
Starting? Japan has a long, proud history of xenophobia.
It’s a respectful xenophobia though. Like, it’s just as bad but entirely Japanese in flavor. If I had to make a ham fisted metaphor.
I always see xenophobia and racism as different level in the same category. Like, the former is “milder” and something as I, as an immigrant, could overlook. The latter is far more hateful and intolerant.
yes, the country famous for being accepting of foreigners, that is also known for a high standard of living…
ok then move to mars, final offer
Venezuela is nice at this time of the year too
Japan has its own fascists.