• Cowbee [he/they]
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        1210 months ago

        Even checked Capitalism results in fascism, as Capitalism is entirely unsustainable and eventually results in the crisis that enables the rise of fascism.

        • @samus12345@lemmy.world
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          410 months ago

          Maybe so. Maybe capitalism can never remain checked because the temptation to acquire more wealth will always end up winning. You’d like to think that people are better than that, buuuuut…

          • @kaffiene@lemmy.world
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            910 months ago

            Which system IS stable? AFAICT every system ever has allowed some people more power than others and those people cleave more power to themselves over time. This appears to be how most empires fall

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              Good question! The oldest government still in operation appears to be San Marino, a tiny country near Italy, at around 415 years. Considering that even at a small size it’s only been around that long despite civilization being around 6000 years old, I think it’s safe to say we haven’t managed a system that has real staying power yet.

              • AbsentBird
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                There’s hunter-gatherer tribes that have been more or less stable for over a thousand years. It’s said that the Nez Perce have lived on the Columbia River for 11,500 years.

                • @samus12345@lemmy.world
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                  310 months ago

                  Yeah, but for the purpose of looking at stable governments in cities, hunter-gather societies aren’t a helpful comparison.

                • @kaffiene@lemmy.world
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                  010 months ago

                  Good points but my question is more about governments that work at the scale of a nation state.

                  • AbsentBird
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                    710 months ago

                    I think it’s possible that nation states are inherently unstable. An improvement on monarchy, but still vulnerable to oligarchy.

                    I’m not sure what the future holds, or what comes next, but I suspect that federation will play an important role.

            • @samus12345@lemmy.world
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              There are a lot of capitalist countries that haven’t collapsed yet. We’ll need longer than our lifetimes to see proof that it can never work.

              But I suspect that people in power just aren’t good enough to keep it from going bad eventually.

              • Cowbee [he/they]
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                610 months ago

                There are a lot of capitalist countries that haven’t collapsed yet. We’ll need longer than our lifetimes to see proof that it can never work.

                It’s more that it’s unsustainable. Collapse can be delayed, but not outright prevented as long as the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall exists.

                But I suspect that people in power just aren’t good enough to keep it from going bad eventually.

                It’s already “bad,” just constantly decaying.

              • @daltotron@lemmy.ml
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                310 months ago

                I mean we do have a pretty good indication of a quite large impending factor which may cause a lot of them to collapse in the coming years, and which could collectively be attributed to them pretty well, especially within the last 50 years.

    • The Cuuuuube
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      910 months ago

      Fascism is simply the conclusion of capitalism. Antifa is a bunch of socialists because socialism is the only cure. Anticomm and Fascism have so much overlap as movements because they’re the same movement. Even in the historical context of the first rise of fascism, who took the reins of power was people promising the capital holders they’d protect them from those scary laborers. And do you know what we don’t talk about enough in America? We don’t talk enough about why fascism didn’t take hold here. Its because in the 1920s the capital holders had seen what would happen in America if they tried to do a fascism: the coal miners rose up in violent revolt. We had what legitimately qualified as a civil war in West Virginia with the labor movement. It’s one of only two times american citizens on home soil have been bombed by an air force.

      My concern is this: we don’t have enough people in this country right now who love their brethren enough to stand against fascism. I ask everyone to do this: look at the Black Lives Matter movement. Realize what the African American communities right next to you are doing to resist the police brutality they experience, the fascism they are already experiencing and resisting. Join them. Link arms with them. The reality is the antifascist movement in America is nothing new. How we prevent fascism from rising is we make sure the violent weirdos know we are many and they are few. Make sure they know they don’t have the man power to take over