• @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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        -721 year ago

        I am not going to vote for trump, but I can see which party is using the government to attack him and how terrible the current admin has been doing.

        • @maniclucky@lemmy.world
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          501 year ago

          Yes, holding a person accountable for their crimes (maybe, jury is still out) is attacking them…

          Unless you’re talking media coverage. Cause we all know that the media is an arm of the government…

          • Tar_Alcaran
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            251 year ago

            maybe, jury is still out

            Actually, for the New York civil fraud suit, Trump forgot to ask for a jury trial. But the judge very much found him guilty. In the E Jean Carol case, he was found guilty by not cooperating with discovery, and the jury was pretty clear on the 92m damages.

            So nah, the jury has made up their minds.

            • @maniclucky@lemmy.world
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              51 year ago

              Fair, I intended that more as an idiom really. I mean whether or not the punishment goes through. He’s so damned slippery I’m not taking anything as truth until the buildings have been seized/ he’s in jail.

              But yeah, they did make up their minds there.

          • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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            -571 year ago

            Yes I am aware of the line “TRUMP BAD CRIMINAL!!!” so you guys cant see when malicious prosecution is happening. The facts are right in front of you, you can either follow your team to the countries destruction, or call out injustices. I already know you are going to just be a team player.

              • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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                -61 year ago

                are you actually trying to argue that Donald Trump is in any way, shape, or form a victim of injustice?

                Yes

                Is this a joke?

                No

                And there are plenty of other examples of injustice when it comes to politics in the last few years.

              • Rhynoplaz
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                171 year ago

                It’s terribly rude to force rich white people to deal with the consequences of their illegal actions.

              • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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                -101 year ago

                I suppose I might have used the word malicious wrongly because I am not a lawyer, but what i was referring to was all of the cases. I am in real estate and know the real estate one very well, and that is absolute bullshit, and he did nothing wrong. That is what I meant by the words malicous prosecution.

            • @maniclucky@lemmy.world
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              121 year ago

              Is this not the point of a trial? To ascertain fact and adjudicate appropriately? Hell, this is explicitly the point of a grand jury, to determine if a trial is merited in the first place. And they’ve found, several times, that taking the charges to trial is justified. Not even that he’s guilty, but that it’s worth looking into.

              Additionally, what facts am I missing? He wasn’t exactly subtle with seeking to commit crimes (“Only stupid people pay taxes” comes to mind as a softball, but the fact that he was never held to the emoluments clause also stands out. Plus all the fraud and rape). Where is the misunderstanding in all this? He was found to be a rapist by a judge. He was found to have committed fraud by a different judge.

              • @InputZero@lemmy.ml
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                71 year ago

                The misunderstanding isn’t yours, it’s the general publics understanding of the legal system and it’s processes. Which has been misinformed by decades of American criminal dramas like Law and Order, CSI, and NCIS. No one in this thread will go to rich people court like Trump gets to, we all get regular court if we get the privileged right to a court date. So when misinformed Trump supporters hear the judge ruled from the bench they see an overreach. When Trump’s legal team presented such a bad defense and showed a complete disregard for the court and it’s ruling in their opinion it wasn’t his team who did a bad job, but a judge who never gave him a chance.

                • @maniclucky@lemmy.world
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                  41 year ago

                  I imagine the mental gymnastics are way easier if you’re uninformed about how things work.

                  Does it qualify as bad faith if I ask my previous questions knowing that he had nothing and/or complete unhinged nonsense?

    • @tswiftchair@lemm.ee
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      31 year ago

      Do you have any particular policies or are you just going to make claims? Trump’s policies were not good for the American working class, which is the vast majority of Americans.

      His landmark legislation, the 2017 tax cuts, gave temporary marginal cuts to working people while giving substantial permanent cuts to corporations. He promised to fix healthcare. He didn’t. He promised to stop jobs from going overseas. He didn’t and, in fact, more jobs went overseas under him than Obama. He promised to fix the national debt. He increased it. He made a terrible deal with OPEC to cut oil production, which led to short term gains but eventually caused oil prices to skyrocket when economies recovered from Covid. His trade war with China hurt the US economy (for example, farmers who he had to bail out).

      These are just some examples. There are many Biden policies that I am against but if you’re going to claim this admin has been worse for Americans than Trump’s admin, you need to provide examples.

      • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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        -31 year ago

        I never said I like trump or all the things he did, but I do think its obvious he was/is better. Most presidents make lots of promises they intentioanlly or unintentionally dont follow through with. I can see you disagree with many of his policies, that is completely fair. But lets discuss what was wrong with Biden.

        Without looking at policies I dont like here are the things off the top of my head that are/were objective failures. Afghanistan withdrawl was one of the worst failures n american history; people were hoarding baby food due to handling of that issue, the illegal migration issue that is currently happening that were directly due to his repealing of trump rules, insane spending that exasperates the inflation issue. This doesnt even get into the foolish policies that we could argue about, but are failures.