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Abstain = We’re against a cease fire but we don’t really want to say that out loud, people might think we’re horrible…
I remember that at least the Finnish reason for abstaining is that Hamas was not mentioned nor their attack condemned in any way in the cease fire resolution. Canada started a petition to change the wording of the resolution and most countries who abstained voted for this.
This is the same bullshit excuse America used to veto the first ceasefire.
Then when a bill with condemnation was introduced America still vetoed it.
It’s just a pretentious troll. Every country that abstained is owned by the israeli lobby. That said the veto is far worse.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231018-us-vetoes-un-resolution-on-israel-hamas-war
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I don’t think you know what “abstain” means
I read that completely differently to you. I see it as "we want a ceasefire but bullshit politics means we can’t vote for it "
Some countries like Canada, are neutrally aligned, and simply don’t answer questions like this. Same with Denmark, I believe.
I get what you’re saying and that might very well be the case but you can’t be neutral in a case like this. Neutral means supporting Israel.
I have zero respect for countries voting no, but abstaining is no better. You (as a country) are literally preventing others to help by doing so. Someone is getting stabbed in front of you and you go “no, no, don’t help, we shouldn’t interfere”.
Just let them die I guess, they’re only Palestinians after all.
Shame on you Canada and all other yellows.
I get what you’re saying, I really do.
I’m from Canada and I support our position. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I don’t know enough about what going on to make an informed decision on the matter. I don’t live there, I’m not a part of any of their culture or religion, regardless of which side you’re referring to. Fact is, any information I get won’t tell the full story, and having zero stake in the matter, I could not possibly know what to say.
A ceasefire sounds good on the surface, people should use their words when trying to solve their problems, not guns and bombs. However, some situations can become impossible to escape without violence, and putting an end to the violence prematurely, could allow an unreasonable situation to thrive. I purely do not know what’s happening, so I don’t want a vote in what happens. Further, I won’t be affected by the outcome, good or bad, so whatever I would vote, I wouldn’t experience any consequences from that.
At this point, I’m not even asking anyone to tell me about it because there’s a lot of misinformed people and/or people with an agenda that are going to just jump at me to tell me one way or another; simply, I cannot differentiate someone speaking about the matter from bias, from someone who is simply explaining the facts, because I have so little context.
Additionally, news media have not helped the situation. They go for the catchy, attention grabbing headline, regardless of what it may imply. So even the news could simply be putting something up that will drive engagement without telling the whole story (and bluntly, they often do).
At this point the issue seems to go much deeper than the actions of the current conflict, and as far as I can tell, this, or something like it, has been brewing on and off in that area for entire life.
I don’t know what’s right or factual, I don’t know what to believe for correct information, I’m not involved, nor is my country (not like we have any significant military to enforce anything anyways), and we have no stake in the outcome.
Why would we vote on this?
To be clear, personally, I don’t like conflicts, especially large scale ones. I don’t want anyone to die for “the cause” at all. I don’t like warmongers, and I don’t want anyone (especially the innocent) to suffer and die because of some warmonger. I recognise that sometimes it’s required, but I am not in favor of violence in any form. Same as self defense. If you’re defending yourself against someone, violence is sometimes required, and legitimate.
To reiterate: I don’t know about the conflict, and I don’t know if I can trust anyone, even here, to give me accurate information about what’s happening. Please don’t lecture me about it.
I’ll finish with this: I am hoping that the innocent in any, every, and especially this conflict, to be safe, and sound. I know not all of them will be, but I’m hoping for it anyways.
Wherein ‘abstained’ = ‘we want to veto it but fear the political backlash so we’ll leave it to the US’
I’m surprised Russia voted for the ceasefire. I would expect them to appreciate the distraction.
They appreciate being seen as opposing the west even more. Especially when it comes to toothless UN resolutions.
They don’t want Hamas to be eliminated. Russia is always for ceasefire when its side is loosing.
Optics. Israel and Russia are both on massacre sides
Dmitriy Polyanskiy, Russia’s representative, said US diplomacy was “leaving scorched earth in its wake”. He said if an immediate ceasefire was blocked by the US again, how could the country look its partners in the eye? He called on the US to “make the right choice” and support the demand for an end to violence.
Funny from a country currently invading its neighbor
The russian hypocricsy should not distract from the truth therein. What happens now is the US foreign policy dream. Instead of having to destabilize the middle east by themselves, they just need to supply Israel with more weapons and money, so they will do it for them.
They know America is going to veto it because they’re israel’s bitches. And it looks way better for countries like Iran which supply Russia with drones to bomb Ukraine with.
Ironically Russia is winning support with their stance on human rights over America in this conflict. Zelensky sucking Netanyahu off also doesn’t promote the Arabs views of Ukraine.
Even China dunked on America yesterday at the UN, that’s when you know it’s bad
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Pretty sure a country that’s committing mass genocide with imperial ambitions who commits daily war crimes and meddles in other countries’ affairs to sow division and distrust is very clearly “the bad guy”. How can you claim otherwise? You can’t “both sides” the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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I can’t think of a lot of situations where Russia would be the good guy tbh
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That is kinda funny, because the USSR was incredibly racist and you’re still not very welcome in Russia as a person of color.
You need to research about African decolonization movements back in the 60’s.
“Despite the widely reported Soviet support for the ANC and otherwise liberation movements, the Soviet Union also engaged in some trade with South Africa during the apartheid era, mostly involving arms and some mineral resources.”
So, they delivered weapons to the Apartheid regime?
I’ve seen an interesting article stating this: " Less well appreciated is the role that external authoritarian actors have played in facilitating this deterioration. Russia stands out in this regard. Among other aims, undermining democracy has been a strategic objective of Russia’s Africa policy for the past two decades. " https://africacenter.org/spotlight/russia-interference-undermine-democracy-africa/
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You realize that it was the Sovjets that turned WW2 around and paid most of the blood for Europe to be freed from the Nazis? About 20 Million of the victims of WW2 were Sovjets. About another 10 Million were Chinese. The western Allies had a very chill WW2 compared to what these countries and their people sacrificed against the Germans and Japanese.
They only paid a human price because the soviets literally threw people at the problem. We can see the same problem today in the war in Ukraine. They actively either don’t arm, or barely arm soldiers and then expect them to take positions against well armed and trained soldiers. The allies were supplying tanks, small arms and other supplies to the Soviets. Let’s also not wash over the fact that the soviets literally allowed hitler to develop weapons in their territory as long as they benefited from it. They only lost as many troops because their leadership was stupid and ineffective.
You realize that the Soviets were in Hitler’s side when shit started and wanted to annex a chunk of Poland and the east?
You also realize that your prime example dates back 80 years?
The Sovjets never were on Hitlers side. Hitler was very clear from the beginning what he thinks of the communists, that he mingled into a “jewish bolshevik” world conspiracy. The Hitler Stalin pact was to buy the SU time to prepare for an attack from the Nazis.
Also 80 years is not a long times in historical terms, when the measure is “ever”. Incidently a lot of the turning two blind eyes unconditional support for Israel now is justified with the Holocaust that was in exactly the same period of time.
Slightly off-topic, but TIL Croatia in Croatian is Hrvatska (thought it was a mistake at first and maybe HRV stood for (Bosnia and) Herzegovina)
While I knew the name, your comment made me wonder why Croatias country code is in their language while most others aren’t. Like, hungary would be Magyarország, which is also very different from their English name.
Also, Austrias country code is wrong in this map. It should be AUT, AUS is Australia.
It’s a lovely name! What I really want to know is, is it still pronounced like “Croatia”? In my mind you could kind of do it like “Hro-vaisha” maybe? Maybe someone who knows tha answer will show up!
Not at all similar.
The r after the H is"hard"/rolling. The Hr sound alone is probably where most non natives will have trouble. The closest sound is probably the pirate “Arrrr”.
The ts is a sharp “z” sound ( like the plural ending in farts) and the k sound is also hard/sharp ( like in Mikado).
Despite appearing and sounding different, Hrvatska is actually the modern development of the early medieval Latin word “Croatia”.
It’s also common in many languages to call the country by a translation of Croatia instead of Hrvatska. The proper way to address the country would be “Republic of Hrvatska” and its people as “Hrvati” instead of “Croats”.
The world has spoken. Now act world, act!
I don’t doubt for a second that Biden isn’t trying to get a second ceasefire going, but at the same time, this vote is hypocritical. There’s no denying that.
I don’t believe that the US is interested in a ceasefire aside from appearance necessary to keep the muslim world and the muslims in the US and Europe from revolting against the injustice.
The US always worked to destabilize the Middle East and with Israel being armed to its teeth and countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt happy to sell out, this is perfect to sow division, despair and violence.
I hope it’s a “See, we’ve got your back, now let’s make our own ceasefire” kind of play
You don’t doubt Genocide Joe, the guy single handedly funding the genocide, announcing his full support for the genocide, and vetoing the stopping of the genocide…
about wanting to stop the genocide?
What?
What is this? Canada just voted to support.
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There was a ceasefire. Hamas broke it.
Bullshit. There was a truce and they couldn’t reach an agreement for the continuation. The first Bombs then flew from israel into Gaza. Since then more than 3.000 more Palestinians have been killed by Israel. For comparision since the October 7 attacks Hamas killed or taken hostage about 1.500 Israelis and people in Israel.
So just after the end of the truce, Israel killed twice as many people than Hamas did in the entirety of the past two months.
Also israel was kidnapping as many hostages as they released and broke the ceasefire by killing a civilian on day 1.
Hamas is surrendering en mass, from military point of view, a ceasefire now is a lost opportunity to bring your enemy to the knees
So Israel should stop fighting Hamas who openly call for a Jewish genocide and just let them keep trying?
It’s kinda funny imagining the green countries getting rockets fired at them and groups come in to murder and kidnap innocent civilians then they just shrug and say ‘we aren’t going to fight back because it might look bad’
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I didn’t say that they were and your statement changes nothing
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yet migration is away from green. kinda has you think maybe the green ones are just wrong.
Are you retarded
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