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Ethernet is Still Going Strong After 50 Years::The technology has become the standard LAN worldwide
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The only bad thing about Ethernet cables is that they’re shaped like a goddamn grappling hook. If I wanna pull an Ethernet cable through my desk, I must understand that every other cable in its path is coming with it.
always buy the more expensive ones with the foreskin.
The foreskin gets in the way when pulling it out of the port though.
Hot
I’m pretty sure your ethernet cable shouldn’t be getting hot
What about getting hot for your Ethernet cable?
Your nice, long, sexy Ethernet cable? With that wide bandwidth? That low latency? I’m getting wet just thinking about it. Let’s LAN party ;)
I always crimp my own, including using slide-on/slide-off hoods. That way I can back the hood off before plugging it into the port, which keeps it easy to disconnect, and I can slide it back on before pulling it through a tight spot.
I crimp my own, but never used the hoods before on self made. Usually I run it where it needs to be then put the end on
I’ve never had that problem 😉
Almost spit my coffee out god damn was not ready to read that 😂
Not to be that person but ethernet is the specification, the “grappling hook” you are referring to is the connector (Rj45 8p8c). Ethernet has a ton of different connectors in the spec from SFP to DE-9 and even HDMI.
VGA cables.
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Why not? I prefer a hard wired connection over wifi where possible any day. The speeds are more than adequate for 99.9% of needs, it’s pretty secure, what’s not to like?
The speeds of wired ethernet are typically faster than wifi, and are consistantly more reliable.
I’ve worked in RF for my entire career, and I’ll always recommend a wired solution as the best option unless the use case requires the hardware to be moving arbitrarily.
Tell me how you didn’t read the article…
Wifi (802.11) is a type of ethernet. Ethernet is the communication specification not the medium.
Ethernet is gonna be, if its not already, one of those lifetime IEC standards that everyone has to support similar to how there are 20 different power plug standards, and someday USB will replace those. Boy, Ethernet over USB. That’ll be the day…
250 years from now they’ll be running Cat6 in mega-spaceships because it works, and the error-correction will be good enough for cosmic ray noise.
Carrier Pigeon with a 4TB m.2 strapped to it’s back baby!
Long ping times but really decent throughput with running your data over avian carrier.
It works and supports bandwidth well beyond what the vast majority of usecases could ever saturate – and we get new iterations all the time which increase that ceiling. RJ45 connectors and their respective ports are everywhere. Sure, we have “better” types of cables and connectors for networking, but they’re almost always a staggering amount of overkill for the application and are not as common.
And don’t make a satisfying click
LC connectors on fiber make a nice click too, that’s the type of ethernet cabling I work with at my dayjob.
When did RJ45 last got a relevant update? 1 Gb/s is more than 2 decades old. It is still way more than enough for almost everyone. And it does not need a lot of power to operate.
Well you can run 10 Gb/s over RJ45 these days too
How much power does that need to run? What does it cost? How many people could actually use that bandwidth? How does it generally compare to fiber optic?
It’s not about cost or outright performance. A cat6 patch cable is compatible with anything from a 10BASE-T intercom to a 10GBASE-T connection that can only be saturated with the most cutting-edge hardware (my desktop literally can’t write to its M.2 drive this fast!)
So if I’m running wires through walls, I’m choosing cat6 because it’ll work for basically any device, rather than constraining myself to exotic SFP connectors on both ends.Fiber theoretically future-proofs you for 100GE, but let’s be real, that shit is HELLA expensive and literally no consumer hardware can benefit from it. Basically if your usecase requires fiber, you’ll know.
I think you are confused. Any modern hardware can easily saturate 10Gbps - it’s only ~954MiB/sec.
And what use case is there for a wired connection like this? Next to nobody needs that. I, engineer/gamer/PC enthusiasts/bla, know zero people who ran wires to their PC like I did, despite certain advantages with LAN in gaming. You can imagine how many people I know that not only run the wires but then also actually need more than the standard 1Gb/s.
It is/would be a waste of resources and not needed for almost everyone. That is what I am saying. That is why we do not see any significant development in the last 20 years, it is still the same 1 Gb/s like back then.
I’ve ran cat 6a in my home as when I’m sure to upgrade the devices I don’t want to have to redo all the cabling. I am looking at moving up from 1 Gb/s already as I can easily max out the connection when transferring data over the network, like a backup to a different system.
Hell, I’m pretty sure we have ISPs here in EU thag offer 2Gb WAN.
In terms of significant developments, more and more PCs are currently making the move to 2.5gb networking too
Maxing out 1 Gb/s was no issue with HDDs 15 years ago. Maxing out 10 Gb/s is no issue with SSDs today. 1 GB/s is nothing for them. You would need 100 GB/s to have a buffer for the next 3(?) years, then it will be maxed out again.
In any case, a backup can take 1 or 10 hours, seems irrelevant in a non-commercial environment. Since people will be backing up to large HDDs in the foreseeable future, 1 Gb/s is just fine. 18 TB HDDs could potentially be 2x faster, say 200 MB/s. Not much to gain.
On a side note, I put cat7 everywhere back in the day. Maybe 150 meters.
They are coming out with new cabling standards to allow multi gbps over extended distances. There is still a lot of room for growth. You are right that nothing more is needed for the average use case though.
I think MIDI is going on 40 years now as well
Why wouldn’t it be? I don’t understand the point of this article. It’s not like some other direct P2P communication medium is going to come along and upend it. It doesn’t really make sense to run fiber inside your home. You don’t need that kind of bandwidth for such a small number of devices and it would be prohibitively expensive since you need a specialized, highly trained technician to run it - unlike Ethernet, where any sufficiently motivated person can do so. I’ve heard that the people that run fiber for ISPs make something like $200/hr or so.
Here welding fiber is part of pretty basic sparkie training. I’d be surprised if they’d make more than doctors.
You’re saying “Ethernet” but what you mean is BASE-T (aka Cat5, Cat6, etc). Ethernet runs over fiber just as well as twisted pair copper.
The OSI model says hi 👋
- Running fibre really isn’t as complicated as you make it out to be. The only problem is that you can’t do any 90° turns, so just running it along the walls isn’t possible. And the fact that the lasers each cost about 30€ for your standard 10G connection isn’t really helping either.
And I really would like to see the job where running fiber gets you $200/hrs, i would switvh to there on the spot. The most complicated part is splicing 2 cables together and that isn’t all too hard with the right tools and machines.
- The article isn’t talking about cables at all, but rather the ethernet protocol that is used as a standard for data transfer for a long time now. It has nothing to do with the debat over fiber vs. copper.
It falls under the low voltage // communications lines in most US states, so standard electricians union pay. It’s pretty good, but not $400,000 salary good.
Gonna need ETHERNET2 to power my WEB3.
YOU DOUBT THE POWER OF SNAKEY BOI?
Why wouldn’t it be?
One person wrote an article on it a few weeks ago and for some reason everyone clicked on it, so now similar articles are being written to capitalize on that success.
First thing that came to mind was that it clearly wasn’t developed by Google! Thank goodness. It’d be long dead.
Ethernet is an standard. as long as standards are open (and they should be, by definition) they can’t die as long as there is an use for them.
Well that’s good
It has gone a long way from a bus to a p2p.
Who needs CSMA/CA when you have CSMA/CD and Full Duplex amirite
