• Kühlschrank
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    541 year ago

    I hate everything about this: the lack of transparency, the lack of communication, the chaotic back and forth. We don’t know now if the company is now in a better position or worse.

    I know it leaves me feeling pretty sick and untrusting about it considering the importance and potential disruptiveness (perhaps extreme) of AI in the coming years.

    • Bipta
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      121 year ago

      Same here. I like Sam Altman but if the board removed him for a good reason and he was reinstated because the employees want payouts, humanity could be in big trouble.

    • FaceDeer
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      21 year ago

      I actually like the chaoticness, because I don’t like having one small group of people as the self-appointed and de-facto gatekeepers of AI for everyone else. This makes it clear to everyone why it’s important to control your own AI resources.

        • FaceDeer
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          21 year ago

          Not wanting a small group of self-appointed gatekeepers is not the same as accelerationism.

            • FaceDeer
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              21 year ago

              “Accelerationism” is a philosophical position. The goal is entirely what makes it accelerationism. Quit swapping words in each new comment.

              • @mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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                21 year ago

                For fuck’s sake. You want bad things to happen… so good things happen, later. Bad shit happening is the part that’s objectionable. Saying ‘but I want good things’ isn’t fucking relevant to why someone’s hassling you about this!

                The bad shit you want to happen first is the only part that’s real!

                • FaceDeer
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                  11 year ago

                  You want bad things to happen

                  No, that’s entirely you assuming things about my position. I don’t want bad things to happen.

      • Kühlschrank
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        11 year ago

        I’m with you there, I just hope the general public come to that realization.

  • davel [he/him]
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    481 year ago

    On the one hand, the board was an insane cult of effective altruism / longtermism / LessWrong, so fuck them. But on the other hand, this was a worker revolt for the capitalists, which I guess shouldn’t be surprising since tech workers famously lack class consciousness.

    • @grue@lemmy.world
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      111 year ago

      an insane cult of effective altruism / longtermism / LessWrong

      I’m out of the loop. What’s the problem with those things?

      • AggressivelyPassive
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        121 year ago

        It’s basically the paperclip maximizer combined with human arrogance/hubris. Just skim the criticism sections of the articles linked.

    • Bipta
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      31 year ago

      That’s what happens when the wealth is shared with those who make it. Everyone becomes a capitalist.

      • @Eldritch@lemmy.world
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        171 year ago

        Actually that’s just self interest. Both capitalism and socialism claim to benefit workers. But only socialism has remotely shown to do that to any extent. Capitalist hoarding and speculation is the primary driver of inflation and things like the inafordability of housing.

        If you labor for a living, you aren’t a capitalist. You’re labor.

      • prole
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        1 year ago

        Nah. It’s more like the pusher man. Give them their first taste for free, and they’ll be a customer for life.

  • Sabre363
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    401 year ago

    I guess the entire workforce calling the board incompetent twats and threatening to quit was actually effective.

  • @BitSound@lemmy.world
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    251 year ago

    Man what a clusterfuck. Things still don’t really add up based on public info. I’m sure this will be the end of any real attempts at safeguards, but with the board acting the way it did, I don’t know that there would’ve been even without him returning. You know the board fucked up hard when some SV tech bro looks like the good guy.

    • shanie
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      -31 year ago

      I mean, the non-profit board appears, at current glance, to have fired the CEO for their paranoid-delusional beliefs, that this LLM is somehow a real AGI and we are already at a point of a thinking, learning, AI.

      Just delusional grandeur on behalf of the board, or they didn’t and don’t understand what is really going on, which might be why they fired the CEO: for not informing the board, truly, what level OpenAI’s AI is actually at. So the board was trying to reign in a beast that is merely a puppy, with information that was wrong.

        • shanie
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          11 year ago

          As I used the word “appears”, I am postulating based on how the company is controlled, the non-profit entity, as well as certain statements that board members have made in the past such as Ilya Sutskever (now ex-board??), whose thoughts have likely been influenced by his mentor Geoffrey Hinton who is quoted on 60 Minutes saying the AI is about to be “more intelligent than us”. Ilya is known for, beyond his scientific endeavors into AI and his position of Chief Scientist of OpenAI, some odd behavior on his commitment to AI safety though I’m sure his beliefs come from the right place.

          There’s a lot more to this, for each board member and Sam, but it makes me believe that a large wall was erected in information leading to a paranoid board.

      • Jaysyn
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        Really? I thought it was because he supposedly raped his younger sister.

          • @ultranaut@lemmy.world
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            61 year ago

            His sister accused him of some stuff a few years ago but nothing ever came of it. She apparently has credibility issues so I think the general view is the allegations are the delusions of a mentally ill person and/or a shakedown attempt.

        • shanie
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          11 year ago

          Could be, but words on Twitter and no lawsuit don’t really equal getting ejected from your CEO position. Imagine if CEOs got ejected for stuff akin to that, there’d be no CEOs left.

    • FaceDeer
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      11 year ago

      Because 95% of the people that worked for him demanded it.

            • FaceDeer
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              21 year ago

              Explain, then. “It should be obvious” is not an explanation.

          • @andruid@lemmy.ml
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            01 year ago

            The fact that the employees were able represent their defacto power in a crisis is good, but the fact that the don’t have explicit power in the decision making process is why this able to happen in the first place.

            There are no good kings, even if the best men were made kings, they would be inherently tainted by the position.

            • FaceDeer
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              The fact that the employees were able represent their defacto power in a crisis is good

              That’s all that I’m saying.

              If you’ve got issues with the whole concept of hierarchical power structures or there being such a thing as “leaders”, that’s a bit beyond the scope of this particular situation.

              • @andruid@lemmy.ml
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                11 year ago

                Heck you could even keep the hierarchy, but with no representation of the workers in leadership you lose an major perspective on the organization.

  • skulblaka
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    So where’s all the folks coming out of the woodwork to tell us this isn’t Technology news, then? They sure want to shit all over the comments whenever Musk is the subject, but here, in this nearly identical situation? Crickets, naturally. I’ve heard no other single piece of news out of this instance for five days other than the personal schedule of Sam Altman. It was good to hear about what happened once. Now we’re on post 63 of the same news.

    Don’t get me wrong, I dislike Elongated Muskrat as much as the next guy. But there’s an extremely vocal minority here that love to invade the comments on every post of anything he’s done to cry about how that isn’t technology news. I generally like to argue that yes, it is technology news that Twitter has refactored how their verification mark works, or that advertisers are pulling out due to offensively alt-right content being promoted by Muskrat. I also think this situation with Altman is legitimate technology news, I just like to point out hypocrisy when I see it.

    • FaceDeer
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      A wild Elon Musk rant has appeared, complaining about how people are complaining about how Elon Musk is irrelevant, in a thread that has nothing to do with Elon Musk.

      I really have no idea how to take this.

    • @maxprime@lemmy.ml
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      61 year ago

      I see your point but this is completely different. Altman is not on the front page of every news site every day like Elon is, so I’m not sick of looking at his face like I am with Elon.

      Also, being fired as CEO of one of the fastest growing (and according to many) one of the most important companies in the world, and then being hired back 3 days later is a pretty big deal and is worthy of my attention. If there are a handful of articles about it, I’m okay with that, at least for now.

    • wander1236
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      21 year ago

      News articles about Elon’s constant political clown shows aren’t technology-related just because he’s in charge of a few tech companies.

      News articles about a CEO being fired from a tech company and then almost immediately rehired are tech-related, because they’re about the tech company itself and the relevant actions of the people involved.

      If this were a story about the opinions of Sam Altman, who happens to be a CEO of a tech company, about world hunger or something, that would be comparable. But it’s an article about how a CEO, who happens to be Sam Altman, was fired and rehired from a tech company over the course of 3 days.

      There are still obviously personalities and opinions involved, but they’re in the context of technology, rather than technology being tangentially related to the context of someone’s opinions.