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Google Chrome will limit ad blockers starting June 2024::The “Manifest V3” rollout is back after letting tensions cool for a year.
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Firefox users who never left: feeling of smugness intensifies
I try not to express or show it though. Only good vibes to bring everyone over to Firefox.
signature look of superiority
You’re so smug that you love to smell your own farts!
The trick is to never let your smugness show, then you can be smug about your humility as well. *sniff* Ahhhh…
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Never looked into using firefox but the enshitification has forced me to do so.
awesome browser imo. and i switched back from opera GX
Same
Which is second to the greatest feature, containers!
Google Chrome can suck a dick.
If only there was an alternative. Some kinda fox. A fox that was set aflame
Or, let’s say, a weasel frozen in ice
There’s a browser called Glacier Ferret? 🤔
Or - ohh I don’t know - some kind of frozen bird?
LoLL
I wish it was for me, but Chrome is necessary for some work I do.
Edit: very weird I get so many downvotes because I need to use a specific browser. Get out more, please.
Such as?
I was doing some work on the social security site and the site i needed wouldn’t even load unless it was chrome or edge. There are sadly too many important website that are somehow allowed to gatekeep browsers. I feel like if their site follows guidelines then there’s no reason they should be restricted from browsers, but here we are.
Platforms I use don’t work reliably with other browsers, online teaching ones to be specific.
Pretty much every internal Web application I’ve used in banking, insurance and Govt orgs.
Most of the time the site doesn’t really need chrome, it’s just that’s all they test it with, so they say it’s a requirement.
There’s an addon for Firefox called User-Agent Switcher and Manager that allows you to have Firefox identify itself to websites as chrome (among others), and it often fixes the problem.
I work in IT so I am aware of this. Maybe you’ve not worked in enough places that just build incompatible (cr)apps?
And sure, just go outside our locked down machine policies and install Firefox and unapproved extensions. That will do down well.
Yeah, “most” was probably a bit hyperbolic, especially for internal websites, and I guess it’s no surprise that the sectors you mentioned would be particularly bad for it.
The best place for my little PSA probably wasn’t in response to your post in particular.
Sorry I’m snippy as I have personal stuff going on. You are right in so far as if you have full control of your machine which isn’t the case for the orgs I mentioned.
We can pull FF into our dev environment so I’ve seen these annoying behaviours.
Edit: …
Yeah, I get “Google bad”, and agree, and am 100% on the Firefox train, but downvoting people for not using FF is kinda stinky.
So use Chrome for that work, and Firefox plus an adblocker for everything else.
My adblocker works in Chrome at the moment so will see.
I’ve tried switching so many times, most recently yesterday. Every time something just doesnt work or is missing. Yesterday it was stremios web client that refused to show the video that I was simultaneously watching in chrome.
And the fact that Firefox doesnt do tab groups. Such a convenient feature for me, and I couldnt find an extension that did the job. Maybe some of you can help?
Absolutely agree on the tab groups. I don’t get how this is not implemented yet, it’s a basic feature with great impact to usability.
Firefox actually had tab groups way back, but Mozilla, in their infinite wisdom, removed it because apparently their main mission now is to antagonize all their loyal power users.
If you refresh it generally works. I’ve had zero issues with it. Not sure though
No amount of refreshing or clearing cookies and cache has helped so far. It just says “video not supported” no matter which file I try to play.
What are you trying to play ? Probably should contact mods. Would be good for them to know. Others will have similar problems.
Do you have add one ? I need to turn off dark mode for some sites as it breaks it. Those are the only issues I’ve had.
It is probably a very specific issue, since I can’t find anyone else that has it, at least not doing the usual google-fu.
When using the Stremio web client, firefox refuses to play anything I throw at it, whereas everything plays fine in the chromium browsers I’ve tried.
No amount of turning extensions off or clearing cache or cookies or refreshing has fixed it so far.
Fire through the link and maybe folk can check it out. I know GeForce now doesn’t work on Firefox and steam doesn’t play nice.
My Firefox does tab groups. Just find an extension
Which extension are you using?
To abuse a saying…
Best time to be on Firefox? Yesterday.
Second best? Today.
This, but computer literacy rather than literal literacy
Free ad for Firefox. Funny enough can’t be blocked by ad blockers.
How long until Google starts paying sites to require chrome? The already tried rolling that concept out a few months ago. They only stopped because of the backlash that was publicly associated with it. They already pay major phone manufacturers to have google as their default or only search option.
So who’s going to stop them when we start finding that major popular sites suddenly don’t work on firefox?
Hopefully the EU
They won’t pay them it will be smarter than that. Possibly with proprietary APIs that only work on chrome etc. some sites already don’t work on Firefox.
They’ll also further enshitifiy their own services on non chrome browsers.
If that does happen, can’t we just spoof our user agent to be chrome?
Their web integrity API they were planning was specifically to prevent that.
I had no idea… didn’t that end up being canceled at some point or am I mistaken?
As it is customary, companies drop bomb shells to gauge their user base reaction. They pull back if the reaction is too strong and slowly reintroduce it piece by piece when the things have cooled down a bit.
The moment they announced their intention to DRM the web meant that they will try to push however they can.
With something like that, it’s usually just rebranded and pushed out after backlash calms down.
Sounds like they will create a non-corporate version of the internet by accident. Sound good to me, but I feel like it won’t fly in EU to well.
When sites see the drop off of users.
Also, Chromite exists.
title as it should be: ‘google did not die a hero, it instead lived long enough to become the villain.’
such old news though
google became the villain the moment it decided to become publicly traded and chose to be the internet’s ad pimp rather than a search engine
most of us are too young to remember but there was a time when you could search for something obscure and actually find it
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Winamp wasn’t a Google project.
It really whips the llama’s ass.
Winamp was Nullsoft and AOL bought it to ruin it.
Laughs in Firefox
Came here to laugh at this.
I just can’t get used to Firefox. Last time I tried it (earlier this year), I tried for 2 months. Can’t remember all the reasons, but using the adresbar as calculator and see the results without pressing enter is so ingrained in my way of working. Just alt+d, 2+2 shows the result. Give me something better than that and I’ll give Firefox an other shot.
Edit: lol at my downvotes. That’s what I get for asking a genuine question I guess. People really looove their Firefox here. (me too, but I’m missing some features)
You can map a keyboard shortcut to the calculator in Windows and have a more robust option no matter what browser you use.
google chrome will suck my balls
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thanks reddit
Google Chrome has always been near my taint
In other news: Firefox installs are breaking records.
Is that true? I would love for more people to experience Firefox
Hi Firefox. It’s been a while…
It shouldn’t have been a while
Eh, when Chrome first came out, Firefox was incredibly clunky and slow in comparison.
At least it was for me, which was why I switched back then.
Google’s YouTube shenanigans earlier this year got me back to Firefox though, and the more Google does crap like this the more I’m thinking my next phone may take me back to the Appleverse.
Trust me, if you care about what’s happening to Google and YouTube right now, you won’t love what has been happening to Apple and it’s products for the last decade or so.
Yea, i swapped to chrome when it was on the rise, and it was subsantially faster than firefox.
These days i find firefox as fast, or faster.
Yeah I honestly expected some growing pains with the switch but it was a lot smoother than I expected.
Why not CustomROMs?
Because I don’t even know what that is?
To put it simply, a “custom ROM” in this context means a modified version of Android. Many of these versions are based on AOSP (Android Open-Source Project), which is still maintained by Google, but is in fact open-source and doesn’t include Google services. Therefore, there is a possibility to use Android phones (given you have one with unlockable bootloader) without any Google apps or account.
I guess I am just past the time where I enjoy…or even am willing to…delve into the way my devices work, run non standard stuff on them, or have some unique setup on them.
I don’t feel like my needs or desires are too awfully picky or niche at this point, I just don’t want my shit to be actively fighting me in day to day function.
When I got my first smart phone, I went Android for the increased options to customize and more hardware and app options.
As time went on, I got to a point where the hardware all sucked compared to iPhone, couldn’t find a phone I liked that did all the things as well as an iPhone, so I switched, trading customize-ability for function.
While that was a trade that worked, I still missed Android as I found the iPhone trying to constantly force me to do things a certain way. And when I went looking for ways to change that, most of the apple community basically said, “If you don’t want to do things the apple way, you’re the one that’s wrong and needs to change”
So after that one, I came right back to Android.
My last phone was pretty good but this one has so many quirks and hardware issues that just the experience of using the phone frustrates me and I’ve only had it a few months.
Not seeing anything else I like on the market, my options seem to be annoyance with hardware, annoyance with software, or annoyance with hardware and fuss with installing non typical software.
I get it, I have a similar situation, except since I came back to Android I have been nothing but happy.
I used to be into running custom stuff on Android before my switch to an iPhone. And I, too, have found it frustrating to be forced to respect Apple’s rules.
Now, however, I have a Pixel 7 and it’s been a perfect experience so far. Running the stock OS non-rooted, it finally feels like my phone.
Why not switch to Linux and FOSS alternatives?
I’ve done Linux desktops, and I fight with them too much. Macos is fine by me. Mad respect for Linux users though.
Non android Linux phones just don’t feel ready.
Comfy leashes I guess.
As if I’ll have money for discretionary purchases anyway. Fucking idiots.
Everything Google does is evil. How are people still using anything they make—or control the repo for (chromium, android)
They make fantastic services that are far more functional than their oss competitors and it’s far far less effort than hosting and dealing with that bullshit.
Cannot disagree more. I’ve found Google services to be terrible in comparison to their competitors. Don’t get me started on privacy. Ironically, you’re saying they’re better in the same article that says they’re removing adblockers. Which is clearly not better.
Most folks disagree. You are in the minority.
I doubt most folks disagree, but on that note: everything the majority agrees on is factual and the correct method—right?
That seems slightly hyperbolic
How so?
It didn’t start that way, it wasn’t until they had dominance in multiple areas that they started fucking their customers, but the difference here is that it’s stupid easy to change to Firefox, Safari, or gasp Edge.
Edge is chromium. And safari is still apple only. So you’re last sentence is wrong, but it is indeed super easy to switch to Firefox, or another non-chromium based browser.
Chromium isn’t as bad as Chrome, Google actively tries to get you to use Chrome by blocking some features in Chromium (like account syncing).
That’s like equating evil and evil, both are still Google, both are gonna have mv2 removed (eventually) making web filtering a nightmare. I have all kinds of add-ons that prohibit any scripts from running on a website without my explicit authorization. Mv3 will break that level of security. Chromium=chrome both owned and maintained by Google.
You are aware that Chromium is an open source project and isn’t owned by anyone, right? Google created the engine/framework and are the biggest contributors to it, but that’s akin to saying “Red Hat (or Linus himself) owns Linux”.
Google has full control over Chrome which is closed source and has their specific tweaks, they don’t have full control over Chromium. I could fork the Chromium repo and there is nothing that Google can do to add in any of their tracking because I have a full copy of the source code and can modify it as I see fit.
Chromium is not Chrome. Just like Edge isn’t Chrome.
Forking chromium and stripping out all the google tracking is near impossible(for smaller dev teams). I am aware there are valiant attempts at de-googleing chromium but every one of them that i tried was either still phoning home, or ran like shit, or were so behind on security updates that it was dangerous to use them.
Money corrupts everything
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School/university online classes and messaging/collaboration
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Business enterprise messaging/collaboration locked to Google services
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Business enterprise sites locked to Chromium based browsers
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Government sites locked to Chromium based browsers
Nothing is locked forever.
Not forever - maybe - but until then, government employees trying to log onto government services like iFTDTL or NSIPS or half a dozen other sites, as well as students logging into their university email or corporate employees logging into enterprise networks are stuck on Google apps or Google-adjacent like Edge.
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