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The “Manifest V3” rollout is back after letting tensions cool for a year.
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Remember, Firefox is great and has no dependency on upstream Google code.
Use Firefox.
Preaching to the wrong crowd there buddy, you want to be convincing the exact type of person who isn’t on Lemmy
I’m pretty sure ad experience will move some masses, I liked Chrome because Ublock works fine there, it has great extensions support and the best compatibility with the websites, but if you remove the adblocker support I would have moved (if I hadn’t already) in a heartbeat
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For a while I was a bit confused, because Mozilla said they would also implement V3 Manifest …
by implementing Manifest V3 on its own terms, Mozilla saves developers who are switching to the new platform from having to support two different versions of their extensions (for Google Chrome and Firefox) at the same time. On the other hand, it allows content-blocking extensions that were originally built using the less restrictive Manifest V2 to continue working at full tilt.
https://adguard.com/en/blog/firefox-manifestv3-chrome-adblocking.html
You have a choice A. Be a Chad who Dumps Chrome and chromium based browsers . or B. remain a whiny loser who has to deal with ads.
Firefox has been fantastic for me.
Firefox is just the only decent option. And while at it, use Piped or Invidious while you still can, people!
I tried using Invidious, but found that it misses quite a lot of new posts in my subscriptions. So in the end I ahem flew to Ukraine to take advantage of family Premium for around £3 a month.
Because honestly, I have no real problem paying for Premium, but I massively object to paying £20 A MONTH to watch (mostly) amateur content that YouTube aren’t actually paying anyone to commission. How is Disney+ almost half the damn cost of a YT Premium family plan? Because Google are money-grubbing cunts, that’s how.
Newpipe is damn near perfect. No ads either.
Mine has been working fine, but the instance did lose all my “Mark as watched” videos, and for some reason one specific channel never makes into the Subscriptions panel, but I just have it as a favourite and it ends up almost the same. The instance I was using for Piped is now borked, so I’m hanging onto Invidious for now.
Google can go fuck themselves for this. The moment their stupid Manifest v3 bullshit came to light, I quickly migrated to Firefox and haven’t looked back.
As someone who never switched to chrome in the first place, it’s fun to watch all the smoke and fire now.
Mozilla was quite the memory hog, back in the day. In some respects, it still is, but it’s certainly better than this Manifest v3 crap.
Firefox is probably the oldest browser in existence. The only surviving one among the original three (Netscape Navigator). The fact that it’s still among the major two is impressive by itself.
Same. As I’m seeing what’s happening with Google, im glad I made that choice
Mozilla is implementing Manifest V3. They plan to implement it slightly different than Chrome: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-firefox-recap-next-steps/
They have published a guide for extension developers: https://extensionworkshop.com/documentation/develop/manifest-v3-migration-guide/
More background on Manifest V3:
https://www.eff.org/am/deeplinks/2019/07/googles-plans-chrome-extensions-wont-really-help-security
https://www.eff.org/am/deeplinks/2021/11/manifest-v3-open-web-politics-sheeps-clothing
https://www.eff.org/am/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-manifest-v3-deceitful-and-threatening
https://www.eff.org/am/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-still-hurts-privacy-security-innovation
Relevant part from the blog post:
What are we doing differently in Firefox? WebRequest
One of the most controversial changes of Chrome’s MV3 approach is the removal of blocking WebRequest, which provides a level of power and flexibility that is critical to enabling advanced privacy and content blocking features. Unfortunately, that power has also been used to harm users in a variety of ways. Chrome’s solution in MV3 was to define a more narrowly scoped API (declarativeNetRequest) as a replacement. However, this will limit the capabilities of certain types of privacy extensions without adequate replacement.
Mozilla will maintain support for blocking WebRequest in MV3. To maximize compatibility with other browsers, we will also ship support for declarativeNetRequest. We will continue to work with content blockers and other key consumers of this API to identify current and future alternatives where appropriate. Content blocking is one of the most important use cases for extensions, and we are committed to ensuring that Firefox users have access to the best privacy tools available.
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They decided to commit suicide?
That maneuver will cost them a few % market share at best. Most people don’t even use ad blockers at all
Funnily enough I think the percentage use of adblockers is going to go up a fair bit thanks to what Google is doing. My amazingly sweet “just go along with anything” MIL actually complained to me about YouTube ads the other day, then ads on websites in general. She jumped at my offer to install a different YouTube client and a good adblocker once I explained that it was a possibility for her tablet.
If they wanted to pull this off they needed to do it quietly, not draw attention to the fact that adblockers exist and are apparently so effective they need to do something very public about them.
You would think, but the number of people I’ve met who surf the web without any adblockers at all and just seem fine with it is alarming. I think Google is counting on a lot of people just not knowing any better.
Won’t stop me from informing them otherwise though.
AdGuard (system wide), PiHole, inbuilt adblockers are still there and won’t be affected by this. Who cares.
Adguard and pihole rely on DNS redirects - googs has already implemented “secure DNS” for Chrome in Android, which circumvents network level/local DNS by connecting to a Google owned DNS, serving content using those listings instead.
They’ll likely bring this to all flavors of Chrome.
Yes, one should use Firefox. Yes that could also avoid the android problem, but also no, because Google forces chrome at weird times (eg, some apps will load a minimal web viewer for hyperlinks links, without leaving the app - sometimes apps don’t respect the default browser setting and instead just use chrome.
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They’ll likely bring this to all flavors of Chrome.
That’s not how that works. Other chromium browsers get to decide what source code they pull into thier own project. They can totally continue using regular DNS.
Adguard and pihole rely on DNS redirects - googs has already implemented “secure DNS” for Chrome in Android, which circumvents network level/local DNS by connecting to a Google owned DNS, serving content using those listings instead.
You can chose many different neutral DNS in AdGuard/Pihole and also in Android (quad9, for instance). In Android I use my own AdGuard Home instance as my DoT server.
They’ll likely bring this to all flavors of Chrome.
Inbuilt AdBlockers work well and wont’ be affected by MV3, as they are not extensions. Don’t spread FUD.
Yes, one should use Firefox.
No need to be so masochistic and I wouldn’t use it regardlessly. I don’t want to give undeserved market share to corrupt Mozilla Corp. I’d rather watch ads. But, as I said, there’s no need for that, because between DNS blocker and inbuilt adblockers of better browsers, I haven’t seen a single fucking ad in ages.
“… corrupt Mozilla Corp …”
Could you elaborate?
They believe that Mozilla taking Google’s money is bad. But they think Brave surreptitiously changing urls to affiliate links and selling user data to ai bros is totally peachy.
Really, as with anyone who knows about Brave’s tomfoolery but accepts it with open arms, he just seems to be a supporter of their CEO, Brendan Eich, who’s a Silicon Valley douche and bigot. This seems to be supported by the particular animosity shown toward Mozilla, from where Eich was unceremoniously expelled from (due to the wave of negative PR that resulted form his being named their CEO) just before starting Brave.
Guy’s a fanboy. And one that has no problem. Throwing slurs around when discussing things like software. It’s best to just ignore him.
I mean if you’re going to go Chromium-based at least use Vivaldi… Brave-s benefits minus Brave’s shithousery
What’s your setup then?
