Does warmer mean temperature? Color? Something else?
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“Please select all images which evoke melancholy as opposed to existential dread.”
“choose the roads that fill you with ennui moreso than the avenues that give you a sense of listless”
That’s like, your opinion man
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Okay I’ll click the green ones
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Hey man,open up. It’s me, Dave. I got the stuff.
I love how so many of these images meant to fool bots are literally generated by AI
Because their real purpose is to train the bots. The captcha features are just there to get us to use it.
It’s more complicated than that. Only 2 or 3 images are meant to train AI, the rest are meant to establish whether you’re human enough that AI can learn from you.
That’s also only partially true. Most of the human detection is done by collecting metadata about your browser and how you interact with the widgets.
I think the actual website detection is usually done that way, while the AI training is generally separate and runs it’s own standalone game.
It’s all a ranking system. Who knows the score - my goal is to get through in as dishonest a way as possible. If they want my honest answers they should pay me for them.
You have to win the game however. Training the AI is an essential part of it.
Nah I disagree, it’s possible to win the game, gain access to the website, but train AI the wrong way. That’s the sweet spot I aim for.
It’s also possible to win the game and gain access, but the website decides you’re an idiot and disregards your training.
AI: “Um, …these aren’t the droids you want. Squirrel!”
I’d be with you if it weren’t so obvious.
Doesn’t look like anything to me.
The most surprising thing is how you and some commenters dont see how obvious and dead simple the answer is
Like, should they show you a block of ice and a fire next time?
It even clearly gives an example of a picture of a living room.
Something that’s obvious to you isn’t necessarily obvious to everyone.
The most surprising thing is how you and some commenters dont see how obvious and dead simple the answer is
Like, should they show you a block of ice and a fire next time?
This is an incredibly narrow view of people, and what ‘obvious’ is. This sentence is absolutely awful if you’re ESL in any way:
Please select all images of one type that appear warmer in comparison to other images
Even I stumbled for a second on that sentence. What the hell does ‘appear warmer’ mean? Colour, hue, saturation, is there a temperature reading on them? It can snow at zero degrees, but that middle image could be -20 for all we know; it’s in shadow and the only non-cool-colour in it is that orange rectangle.
I mean, to me, it’s obvious that you add an apostrophe to ‘don’t’ but you didn’t. Your sentence also doesn’t end with a period. Does that mean I get to call you out for missing such an ‘obvious’ thing, and insult you for not doing it? You know, how obvious and dead simple writing your sentence correctly would be.
I assume this just means “pick inside” without saying it directly. The sample photo is of an inside space. No? The two in the middle row, I assume, are the “correct” answer.
Often the correct answer is only half the puzzle - how you answer (mouse movement) also can be to determine things
No, there’s far more depth to that. The goal isn’t for you to prove yourself human, the goal is to teach an AI how to “think more human”.
1, 2 and 7 are obviously cold. They’re oustide, with no “warm” colour lighting.
3 and 6 are both green houses, the green house could be considered “warm”, but 3 has light on the inside. This is perhaps a test against AI readers. To a human, they both seem warm inside, but an AI might differentiate based on the lighting.
9 is a dark brown house, but 8 is a light brown house that is illuminated by external lighting. This contrasts with 3 and 6, because 6 has external lighting but it does not illuminate much.
4 and 5 are both internal shots. 4 is light and airy, meanwhile 5 is a bit more grey - but then, grey is the fashion these days.
All in all this is a bullshit test made up by bullshit people looking to get a bullshit result, with which they hope to make money off of.
You’re working to help them make more money, meanwhile they don’t pay you for your labor. They also collect data from your connection to their servers - as well as the website you’re trying to access, you will almost certainly be connecting to at least 2 other servers to deliver this hcaptcha, and thanks to cooperation with the website host hcaptcha will triangulate the internet routing and fingerprinting information to attain a significantly accurate identification of you as an indvidual (which they will then consolidate with whatever other information they have).
Much like a disgruntled worker might “phone it in”, or work within the requirements of their paid employment, or “quiet quit”; you should limit and perhaps even poison the output you give in proportion to what you’re being paid for your labor.
The goal isn’t to satisfy captcha, the goal is to get passed it while giving as little commercial value as they compensate you for.
Your data has value. If it didn’t, then Facebook and Google wouldn’t be amongst the wealthiest businesses in the world. You own the value they establish themselves with, they just claim a license.
Way to throw a shit fit over paying 5 seconds of labor to use a service
The service is free to use. My access to it is not conditional to my authentic participation in unpaid labor, and nor is it equivalent.
Personal data has value. Thought has value. Commercial enterprises like this attempt to suppress that value, while simultaneously using it to position themselves amongst the wealthiest businesses in the world. They should pay us for our data.
What they do is akin to a car manufacturer saying they shouldn’t pay the person who makes nuts and bolts, because nuts and bolts have far less value than a car, and the people who make nuts and bolts do not know how to build a car. This is would be a ridiculous scenario; it is also ridiculous that users aren’t paid fairly for their data.
If people were paid fairly for their data, then these businesses would have no scope to raise the price of their product in line with this new (fair) material cost. This is because the cost of their product is already an exaggeration of the value they provide. They sell their product for more than it’s worth, meanwhile they pay their data suppliers (every single human being) nothing. Of course they don’t want you to realise the value they’re taking, doing so could only reduce their profits.
The service is free to use
No it isn’t.
My access to it is not conditional to my authentic participation in unpaid labor
Yes it is, and you’re being paid by access.
Is paying in labor instead of money such an alien concept to you?
That isn’t the deal as described in the contract. That is how they try to frame the deal after the fact, to convince people to let them get away with it.
The site is free to access. While you access it, they claim rights to your data, or in this case the output of your work. It is not an exchange of access for data/labor, it is a free provision with terms snuck in via the fine print.
It’s really not that complicated. If you don’t want to pay to use a service, that’s your perogative, but it’s not a deceptive trade at all.
The website gets to avoid bots spamming forms, you get access to the forms, and Captcha gets some training data. Everyone benefits
It absolutely is deceptive. The captcha does not openly tell the user “if you complete this you’re going to train an AI system for us which we will eventually sell for profit”. The user is merely told to “prove that you’re human”. The terms and conditions or privacy policy also don’t spell things out in plain English, it’s all generalised statements meant to disguise what they’re doing.
It’s also not true that everyone benefits. The user is supposed to gain access to the website for free - the website wants users to visit. However, the website wants to prevent non-user bots from accessing the website. Instead of the website paying for a service to prevent bots and taking that as part of their overhead costs, the website is getting the user to provide unpaid labor to pay a third party for the service that the website wants. The service gets a benefit, the website doesn’t have to pay, the user has to do all the work with no fair reward.
If it was literally just proving the user was human, that would be different. These systems extract further value from the user, for which the user is not compensated.
It might only be a small thing, a few pennies here and there, but they’re stealing pennies from everyone.
Is it the one that’s on fire?
It’s the “of one type” that gets me - to me that says I should be examining either the outdoor or the indoor pictures, not comparing between those two types of picture. So I should somehow pick the warmest outdoor or warmest indoor pictures.
It clearly says to select images of one type, not examine images of one type.
I would write it “Select all the images of the type which is warmer than the other type of image”
There’s an example at the top along with the instructions.
This ain’t exactly the Mississippi.
That’s exactly what the model is trying to learn.
I worry about commenters in this post that seem to take this as some sort of highly complex problem verging on philosophical rather than a silly little riddle to go through as fast as possible to get to the primary part of website.
Whole lot of AIs in this thread.
It’s the two that aren’t outside in the snow.
Numbering left to right, top to bottom, I think the answer should be 3, 5, 6, 9.
Fuck you for trying to get me to train your AI. If you want my work, fucking pay me.
Edit: To be clear, I think those answers would be most likely to almost seem correct to an alrgorithm, but actually break their objective for training.
You think 3,6 and 9 are warmer than 4?
I explicitly left out 4.
3, 4, 6, 8 surely.
I’m serious, do not call my Shirley.
3, 4, 6, 8 have the kind of lighting that a person might be drawn towards. The kind of thing they’re trying to train AI towards. My answers are meant to seem like the kind that AI would accept as a human answer, while also being wrong to the human eye.
It’s 4D chess. You have to predict what the AI thinks you would think, and agree with that, while providing an objectionable answer to the things AI is uncertain about.
If they want the right answer, they should be paying us for it. They’re a business, labor shouldn’t be free for them.
Go home, robot, you’re drunk
I got one the other day that had the third column of images completely cut off on mobile. Didn’t matter what browser I tried. I had to wait until I could get to a desktop to try and access the site.
