Webp
Developed by google, for google products.
Not guaranteed to work with google products (looking at you google voice.)
Guaranteed support will be dropped at random in the future.
The Google Way.
Probably because nobody uses it.
The whole “Google will kill it” meme is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Google creates thing.
Everyone thinks Google will kill that thing, so nobody uses it.
Google kills the thing because nobody uses it.
And the cycle continues.
You get the exact same quality at around ~25% smaller than other image formats. Unfortunate that it’s not supported by everything, but yeah it’s a better image format practically in that sense.
On the web this saves money when storing at a large scale, and it can have a significant impact on page speed when loading websites on slower connections.
People just really need to support it. It’s far better than jpg or png. It’s the go-to for web right now, that’s for sure.
Not better than jpegXL which has clearer free licensing.
Only Apple supports this. Like, literally just Apple. I hate Chrome, and even Chrome doesn’t support this. Firefox? Yeah, zero support.
So for these reasons it’s 100% not viable right now. If you get the support, I’ll consider it for my websites, and tell my colleagues about it, though.
As someone who has had to put together websites:
- It is supported by every major browser
- It is halving the amount of your mobile data that I am using sending you images (With lossy compression it does even better)
- It is decreasing my network egress costs
- It is increasing the number of connections I can serve in a given time period
Nope I am not going to stop using this or AVIF (which does better)
It’s straight up better though
So was Betamax
No it wasn’t.
I’ve seen this video but I went ahead and watched it again. I stand by that it’s a great comparison, as it clearly depends on what “better” means. Webp and consumer Beta have extremely marginal technical benefits that are mostly irrelevant to the average user, compared to the use cases people actually want, which are to record football games and use digital images in Paint or almost any other software. My comment to the first post was meant to say that, but I guess it didn’t come across that way.
WebP is definitely the VHS in this scenario - editing and creating images is NOT the most common use of image files. Not by a long shot. It’s for distribution of images, which is vastly more common a usage.
And there is nothing technically deficient about WebP for editing either - it’s just a new image format that came to popularity in the last 18 months. I’m old enough to remember JPEG being new, and it had the same things said about it. If you’re doing anything serious, both JPEG and WebP are the distribution format of your master image that you keep for yourself in a bitmap format.
The “pro” version of Betamax was good. It wasn’t the consumer version. The consumer version was no better than VHS.
With Alexandrite (a.lemmy.world for example) you can activate or deactivate webp.
Is this the latest hate trend? Is it that time of the year again?
How can one even get annoyed this much by WebP lol
at this point i will take any open image format newer than png
When it affects your workflow at your job.
The reason half of us have jobs is because of workflows being affected by things
I love you.
Haha you too thanks champ
libwebp
By having a sheltered and otherwise empty life.
Tis the season for strong weird opinions and needing someone else’s website to run imagemagick commands for you.
Where have you been for the last few years lol
Uhh… Building apps and websites and converting images to and from webp without much of an issue. It’s kind of weird to hear about this hate on webp given that it’s a great tool. But considering it’s a Google product and that I’m kind of new to the Fediverse, it now makes sense that I missed the hate altogether. I’ve yet to meet another fellow dev with strong opinions on it.
I’ve seen it all around. People dislike it because (I’m guessing) it’s Google’s and because not everything supports it. Used to be worse of course. Over at 4chan they hate it because you can’t upload WebP there (but you can WebM, which is interesting).
The problem is rather the opposite of the meme. The file format is fine, but there is so little effort into making it happen.
If we were trying then I should be able to upload webp images everywhere. The most egregious is websites that will convert jpg and png uploads to webp but don’t allow webp upload.
webp isn’t fine, it has a ton of vulnerabilities because it’s not a safe file format. It gets to do too much and it’s insecure for that reason. That’s why you can’t upload your own webp but conversion to it is fine
The format is fine. The rate of bugs in image parsing code in general is alarming but that is true of just about all the formats.
it has a ton of vulnerabilities because it’s not a safe file format
Its a high compression image file, ffs. If someone sends you a 10 mb .webp file, that should be setting off alarm bells right off the bat. Even then, I have to ask what the hell your Windows Viewer app thinks it should be allowed to do with the file shy of rendering it into pixels on the screen.
I mean, it sounds like you’re saying, “I don’t know how it can be dangerous, therefore it’s not dangerous.”
All I’m hearing is that “its not safe” without further details. And given the utility relative to .jpeg, I’d like more on the table than just “Don’t do it! Unsafe!”
I agree the claim requires more evidence and it would be foolish to just take it at face value, but even if my intuition told me it was intrinsically safe I wouldn’t place any degree of trust in my own logical conclusions, or discount someone else’s warnings, however spurious.
The burden of proof should never be on the accuser when it comes to safety, in my opinion, or anything else of public concern. And the standard of proof should be higher to show that everything’s ok than to show that it’s not. At least in an ideal world.
I wouldn’t place any degree of trust in my own logical conclusions
Okay, but then why use .jpeg?
The burden of proof should never be on the accuser when it comes to safety
How does the .webp protocol demonstrate itself at least as safe as any other standard format? There’s no established safety standard for image protocols that I’m aware of.
I host my own server for playing TTRPGs on and webp saves me a lot of storage space and bandwidth.
WebP is awesome. So is JPEG-XL.
JPEG and PNG are archaic and should die already.
.jxl is also coming btw
JPEG will never die. Too many things support it at a very basic level. A random CCD camera module on DigiKey probably has an option for direct JPEG output. An 8-bit Arduino will know how to take that JPEG and display it on a cheap 4" LCD screen off Bang Good.
Formats that sprawl everywhere like that will never, ever die.
(Which makes JpegXL even better)
I think webp is great but every time I download a webp meme to send it to my Facebook-only friends, I have to take a screenshot of the image because for some reason messenger doesn’t recognize webp images. Like cmon Zuck why can’t you do anything good…
I use an extension that automatically converts it. I can’t stand webp
If it’s for firefox then I’m gonna need the name of said extension
Not OP, but I’ve been using WebP / Avif image converter for many months now and am very satisfied with it.
I love you
Stamets, I hope this isn’t weird, half the time I find something I actually comment on, it’s one of your posts. Why is that?
You’re not the only person to share that sentiment. I post a lot. Few reasons.
- To try and help build Lemmy. Need to have an influx of new material consistently or things get stale and drop off.
- To make other people sick of me so they start posting themselves which just goes back to point 1.
- Because I am suicidally depressed and the constant posting/reacting to notifications distracts me from my own problems long enough that I get to breathe without hating the fact that I am.
- I have been stockpiling stuff for years for seemingly no reason. By posting, I can justify my past memegoblin behavior.
- It’s fun
Ah yes. I, too, exist merely out of spite lmao
Wow weirdo
yo just search for “save webp as” firefox extension. I got it specifically for this (lots of d&d sites use webp)
bro it’s an image format how does it affect you in any way? “oh no this file is .webp rather than .png my life is over”
It performs no better than existing formats and only serves to fracture format adoption and usage with no benefit. In fact it has costlier compression, and currently has exploited vulnerabilities with a cvss over 8. If you have no techical interest in the subject, you could at least not be an asshole.
Webp is superior to jpg and far smaller than png. Making a map tile that has transparency and is bigger than 20x20 grid squares leaves you the choice between a huge png or a tiny webp. VTTs like foundry have best practice guidelines re image sizes and formats and it is simply not possible to follow these using png unless the map in question is tiny, and if you ignore them and just go for a huge png your players may be faced with lag, longer loading times etc.
I just use ImageMagick
mogrify -format png *.webpIf jpg and png were good enough for dialup, they’re good enough for gigabit.
You clearly don’t recall watching jpegs load on dialup internet. It could literally take minutes to load a decent sized image on 14.4 modems.
I remember. Finished halfway through kathy_ireland_nude_boobs.jpeg
At least you got the right one. I accidently got kathy_ireland_nude_boobs.jpeg.bat. It was not the happy day I hoped it would be.
Tell that to Google’s SEO ratings. A website using jpeg’s is not going to do well.
I’m a little out of the loop on webp. What makes it problematic?
A lot of things don’t support it yet, but it’s technically a better compression format
This is how every new thing starts though. You don’t just get better standards overnight. Jpg and png didn’t happen overnight either. PNG had this problem for quite a while.
It’s not a problem with WebP. It’s a problem with tooling that aren’t moving forwards to objectively more effective formats.
WebP is in no way new
It came out in the past 15 years. Most “common” formats like png and jpg came out in the 90s. Others like tif, bmp, and gif are from the 80s.
So yeah, it is “new”, it’s just very relative.
Yea I have nothing against WebP myself. I also wish HEIC was more widely supported
HEIC now has a licensing cost to it, meaning devs have to pay to make their software able to open it. Microsoft recently removed HEIC support from their software because of it.
Oh didn’t know that, that sucks
Not really though
better compression that’s often configured wrong by site admins and the quality is shit-tier.
Not really.
Better than JPEGxl?
Nope. JPEG XL is more modern and delivers lower file sizes without fucking up image quality as much. Downside is that, right now, JPEG XL is actually supported by even less things, because it is still so new.
But it is an industry standard rather than just Google trying to push its own thing, so I do expect it to overtake WebP in a few years.
JPEG XL’s name sucks, tho. Nothing’s perfect.
just call it JXL like a normal person
How are we saying that out loud? “Jexel”?
jayexell
If it’s anything like .gif, fuckers will insist on pronouncing it as “Gexel”
Is this “the sound you make when you get your sexual organs trapped in something”?
Google dropped support for it in favour of avif, just so they can push their own shit again.
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