Its really really great that in a time where fascists gain more and more influence in several EU states, we also make it possible to massively spy on citizens :)
I am sure they will only use it against Pedos and Terrorists! ;)
Europol already said it would use it to fight „illegal migration“ and „human traffickers“ and drug dealers
A french politian demanded to use it against „Drag Queens“ and museums
An italian politian proposed to use chat control against „human traficking“ (in this case a dogwhistle for people, that rescue migrants), organ traffickers, illegal trading of weapons and drug dealers.
Some important german polititians want to expand it against antisemitism, far right extremism and child pornography
A lobbyist and another german politian want to also use it against illegally downloaded movies and music.
https://netzpolitik.org/2023/ueberwachung-politiker-fordern-ausweitung-der-chatkontrolle-auf-andere-inhalte/ (article in german)
Surprise surprise!
Where there’s a through, the pigs will come.
And they’ll screech like banshees when you mention the same or higher standards of transparency should apply to the rich and politicians themselves.
They’re the same people.
Well, not the same people. The surveillance people are authoritarian fascists that have been in government parties a lot longer than the newer parties with similar views.
Facism is not the same thing as wanting mass surveillance. Or is your definition fascist = bad?
Well, mostly I was thinking of the extreme nationalist views that most of these kinds of politicians showed in the past when they e.g. created intelligence agencies that completely ignored any international agreements, basic rights,… to ensure the supremacy of their own nation and their influence within it.
Well, I meant that they all belong to the same group, fascists.
Fourthly, scanning for known, thus old material does not help identify and rescue victims, or prevent child sexual abuse. It will actually make safeguarding victims more difficult by pushing criminals to secure, decentralised communication channels which are impossible to intercept even with a warrant.
This point is huge, and on its own explains why half baked compromises are worthless.
The criminals will use banned chat apps, while innocent people get their messages read.
The reason they don’t care about that is that the whole thing isn’t about protecting children at all but about surveillance of the vast majority of people.
Your first mistake was assuming it’s an attempt in good faith.
Time to become a proud criminal. When law becomes tyranny, resistance becomes moral.
“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.” - Richelieu (disputed)
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- enters the chat
Lol guess we can kiss post-quantum TLS goodbye.
This is going to have catastrophically negative effects for the internet in general. And, as others have said, actual bad actors will just keep using the most advanced encryption available anyways. This only makes the vast majority of internet users less secure and easier targets for exploitation.
So this is how liberty dies…
I can’t see Signal operating in Europe if this is the case. Telegram has already handed over information, so they will likely adapt and continue doing their thing. Meta/WhatsApp will want to keep that money, so they will find a way to operate as well.
I suppose Signal could have a European server, but that might cut them off from the rest of the world.
Might end up using Briar or XMPP.
I haven’t given the proposition more than a once-over, but I assume this will cover emails too?
I will probably end up using Matrix but they really have to leave the UK before those facist shits force them to implement a backdoor!
Germany suggests splitting up child sexual abuse material regulation
Germany has suggested splitting the file into two parts, namely “generally acceptable provisions”, which should remain in the compromise text, and “controversial provisions”, which should be removed. The removed parts should be included in a new draft regulation.
Controversial provisions could be “discussed without time pressure”, to come up with solutions that protect children and also respect data privacy.
the proposed text would mandate the implementation of surveillance bugs
And they call it 2.0? I’ve never seen such a blatant example of version number inflation. It should be called 0.2a, as it’s nowhere near ready for release and full of bugs.
Might depend on your country, but for Germany there are no direct candidates that we votes for. Everybody hat one vote one could give to a party, which had presented a list of people for the election. At the end the party then send the first x people of that list, according to how many of the German representatives were to be send by that party.
So, effectively all MEP which are German are “my” MEP. Or just the party I voted for if I want to be exclusive.
Are they proposing opening every letter that goes in the mail too? And checking every memory card that gets sent?
Reminds me of this: The Post Office Is Spying on the Mail. Senators Want to Stop It: The USPS carries out warrantless surveillance on thousands of parcels every year. Lawmakers are working to end it—right now by Dell Cameron in Wired.
To initiate this surveillance, the department or agency has at least one hurdle to climb. First, they must submit the request in writing. Then … well, nothing. That is the entire hurdle.
Edit. Note: this is just the exterior of the mail that’s scanned.
The age of stenography has begun!
Did you mean steganography, ie concealing messages “in plain sight” in otherwise innocuous-looking things like images or audio?
Stenography is any abbreviated writing system, but not really “coded” in any meaningful way
Yes and yes
Okay tell me, a nerd who has never tried to use this, where to start learning how to use steganography.
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As long as it applies to the normalplebian things like WhatsApp, I’m not really concerned nor surprised.
It is up to us to protect themselves and it has been since the wake of malicious ads that track your every click. It’s gotten so bad that you’d have to be insane to not use uBlock Origin.
Now it’s time to find another means of communication. So many privacy oriented open source apps have come out and all that you need to do is install one and tell your friends… such as SimpleX Chat and Session Messenger.
Don’t sleep on your OPSEC, unless you have a reason to. :)
