The mother of a woman whose body was paraded through the streets by Hamas has pleaded for help finding her daughter.
A video showing German tattoo artist Shani Louk on the back of a pickup truck circulated on social media after the Palestinian militant group Hamas attacked Israel on October 7.
Louk had been attending an outdoor “Festival for Peace” party near Kibbutz Urim when the area was targeted. First, rockets were launched, then gunmen and appeared and shot into the crowd, CNN reported. Party attendees told the outlet people immediately started to flee, passing dead bodies on the ground as they tried to escape the massacre.
The attack and resulting conflict has left hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians dead, with Israel’s prime minister declaring war.
A video of a young woman with dreadlocks on the back of a pickup truck and surrounded by Hamas soldiers started circulating on social media shortly after the attack. In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.
In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.
And some terrorist supporters here on Lemmy were trying to explain to us that they were just casually “transporting” the body of a dead woman and that they weren’t doing anything disgusting with her. We all know what islamist terrorists do when they spot a young woman, to pretend that Hamas is any different from ISIS is to be completely delusional.
Palestinians will lose more and more support (mine already) as long as they keep shielding the Islamist animals of Hamas.
EDIT: also thank goodness for !world@lemmy.world, because others like !worldnews@lemmy.ml are run by terrorist supporters (see for yourself in their modlog: https://lemmy.ml/modlog/14788)
So question, can you be anti terrorist and anti Israel?
Why not? Hell I’m Jewish and I think the Israeli govt is regularly in the wrong and I feel for the people of Israel that could have better lives and those the govt harms. I also think Hamas is evidently wretched and those perpetrating these abhorrent acts deserve everything coming to them.
Unfortunately, while I’m sure Hamas will suffer, the civilians of both Israel and Palestine will once again bear the true cost of this conflict.
What’s your opinion on Palestinians?
My opinion is that they are a people, caged. The conditions that they live in are far below what they deserve for being human.
That’s my opinion really: they’re humans, just like all others and they deserve to be treated with dignity and to be loved and to be able to sleep knowing that they are safe. They have been deprived of these things for far, far too long and I believe that is deeply wrong.
What’s your opinion on Palestinians?
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Then spend less time in your own head.
Apologies, I was busy not being chronically online. Made some noise for you so that you can pass judgement upon me at your leisure.
Based on the time stamps, you commented only an hour after then. Did you truly believe that if someone doesn’t respond to a comment within an hour, they’re purposely being silent? Or were you just chomping at the bit to say all Israelis were bad?
As funny as it would be to call you antisemitic if you don’t reply within the hour – take your time.
I strongly disagree with Israel’s policies regarding settlements, Palestinians in general, etc.
That does not excuse Hamas or their terrorism
They’re both kinda fucked really.
Israel is more fucked because they definitely have the resource to prevent this. How long can you deprive someone of their basic needs before their humanity is stripped away?
That only holds until you realize that Hamas are islamic jahadists. The latter are worse, no question.
Both are crimes under various international laws, some people seem to think you fight one by committing the other
Whats the altenative? Another generation of palestinians lost to the political whims of Netenyahu and the dehumanized at the hands of the far right while calmly waiting for the world to finally stop turning a blind eye? Can they start fighting back after they’ve been oppressed for 100 years or do we have to wait even longer?
Terrorism is not “fighting back.” If they’d solely struck military targets, I would have significantly more empathy for them. I have 0 empathy for terrorism.
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Goliath was in fact a soldier.
Sure, you can always be hated by everybody. That’s generally my MO in most things. I think Hamas is a terrorist Islamic group and the Likud are ur-fascists.
Of course
You can do anything as long as you work hard and believe in yourself
I don’t think that’s true :(
Not if you have a smooth brain, no
Nope unless you consider israel as the terrorists, which from the point of view of palestinians is true.
Both things can be bad… you know that? Right?
And sometimes one side is much worse than the other.
So which far right extremist theocracy is worse in this case?
I’d go with the one parading executed civilians and spitting on their bodies tbh.
I’d go with the one parading executed civilians and spitting on their bodies tbh.
this sadly does not narrow it down
Idk, the ones who decided they didn’t like the borders they agreed to so they took it and started bombing schools, apartments, parks, and the like as “defending our land” when the locals pushed back seem pretty equal here.
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Did you just start following this conflict yesterday? Lmao.
Mine is gone.
I never exactly condoned them, but this is the first time in my adult life they’ve gone out of their way to personally harm innocent civilians. It’s such a shocking and brutal display that I don’t know how anyone could carry water for them anymore – at the very least, this makes them equal to the Israeli government, so someone whose horrified at the treatment of Palestinians by Israel should be just as horrified here.
It bears mentioning that in no way does Hamas represent all Palestinians, too. Hamas is hurting them too by hiding in civilian buildings and using the people effectively as shields. It’s unconscionable to hide in hospitals and mosques after doing something like this, they’re purposely daring Israel to make everyone around them into collateral.
It is in everyone’s benefit for Hamas to be wiped out and destroyed.
Except the there are only three real ways for Israel to kill Hamas. Getting rid of every Palestinian so the are no Palestinians to get angry and turn to desperate measures. Enforcing an authoritarian state where all civil liberties are taken away from Palestinians. Or firmly rejecting expansion into areas where Palestinians live, harshly prosecuting any who discriminate against Palestinians, letting them self govern, and energizing their economy to lift standards of living drastically. An end to everything Israel does to hurt Palestinians and help themselves that Israel can do. Huge concessions to try and make up for all the shit they’ve done.
The ethnical option will clearly not be chosen by the current government, and the US, obligated by their desire to have allies in the middle east, will help them try to accomplish some combination of the first two options. It’s awful.
where was this outrage when Israel targeted civilians?
Oh it was there, I was outraged at that as well. I believe it was Israel who accidentally killed an American journalist and refused to release evidence for some time?
There are no good guys here, by a longshot.
“Accidentally”
This is what Islamic fascism does when they think they have enough power. A Turkish leader said “Democracy is a train which you can use to reach your target.”
Ok but one of those is funny “reason:explaining antisemitism to a Jewish person”
I didn’t read what they actually said but that got a solid chuckle from me
I didn’t know the pope of jewdaism was a lemmee admin. What an honour.
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Colonizers versus natives, and you side with the colonizers who created this situation. Lmao.
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And what will Germany do about one of their people being murdered in this way? Nothing. They’ll hide behind their mask of progressive European nation, and do nothing, while likely supporting the bad guys, just like they do with Russia.
You can’t get Germans to do anything unless you wave money in their face
ya, we did the whole blood and soil bit in the 1930-1945, we have since decided that ethnic cleansing is not the answer to someone getting killed.
or what would you say Germany do? go and start slaughtering the people in Gaza? maybe dig out the old playbooks, what was it 10
jewsMuslims for every German killed? is that what you are calling for?I guess your answer is to do nothing. Kill Germans? It’s ok, we would hate to be seen as intolerant to terrorists, so just kill our citizens. But in truth, Germans would glass the entire continent if it meant they get more money
there are two options for what Germany could do, Nothing, or invade all of Israel, institute an occupational goverment and then rebuild the Israeli government with both Jews and Palestinians.
on the other hand, your “do something” seems to be entirely kill everyone in Gaza as revenge against Hamas.
Israel has German submarines (the German version, not the worse export version) that were gifted to them, especially suited to be used in the Persian Gulf, on the coast of Iran, where Hamas’ money and equipment come from.
What do you want them to do huh?
Damn krauts.
Can someone please explain to me why both Israel and Hamas (not the Palestinian people as a whole, just Hamas) can’t be condemned for the atrocities they have committed?
Because Lemmy seems to be telling me I have to pick a side and, as far as I can tell, both sides have committed atrocities. Why should I pick either side? Why can’t I just say both are evil and not support either side? Must I take a side in every conflict? Because I sure as hell didn’t when Iran and Iraq were warring.
Most people can’t handle nuance so for many issues are either black or white
My side is the good side and therefore is justified in its actions! It can’t do something wrong against those monsters!
“Both are evil” rhetoric is often used to justify or obfuscate one sides crimes, and because on the broader scale, Israel unfolds destruction and death at a higher scale, so there’s a lot of intense emotions from thise keyed into Palestinian struggle. That’s why so many want you to pick.
It is important to remember Hamas ≠ Palestinians, and Israeli government ≠ Israeli citizens. Yes, they live in a colonial state, but Hamas doesn’t care if they try to fight to change it or not, furthermore, most left leaning people are in colonial states or in former colonizing states so they are basically saying they think violence against them is justified too. Everyone should be aware of their privileges and work to dismantle the systems that create them, but that doesn’t mean they need be killed in order to realize that!
It’s ridiculous because you’re absolutely right too, Israeli calling them all “human animals” and doing a total blockade of Gaza is a war crime, but so is what happened to Shani Louk. In the world I am fighting for, the people responsible for both would be held accountable.
I can’t think of a single successful revolution that didn’t end up with significant civilian casualties. Revolutions only arise because of extreme discontent among a population about their socioeconomic position.
Remember the Reign of Terror in France? Washington’s campaign against the Iroquois in America? Revolution is bloody and revolution leads to civilian casualties, but at its core it’s caused by systematic oppression by the government and inaction on behalf of the population.
By the way, Gazans have tried peaceful protest. It got thousands of people shot.
I can’t think of a single successful revolution that didn’t end up with significant civilian casualties
A gross oversimplification. Will civilians inevitably get got in the crossfire or be targeted by reactionaries during protests as part of the revolution? Sure. But there’s a difference between that and seeking out and targeting a site without a military presence and civilians from more than just Israel.
Remember the Reign of Terror in France?
Not a good example to cite since that destabilized revolutionary france and helped create the conditions for Napoleon to rise to power.
Revolution is bloody and revolution leads to civilian casualties, but at its core it’s caused by systematic oppression by the government and inaction on behalf of the population
Again, a revolution is bloody because of the people reacting against it, it doesn’t have to be because your side decided to target civilians and perpetuate cycles of violence. The revolutions that created long lasting new paradigms didn’t serve as vehicles to enact vengeance.
I find it’s usually best to just avoid any social media around major and divisive news events like this. Specifically where people are allowed to comment and express their opinions. Everyone just gets more extreme in their views, are convinced they are absolutely right, and there is never any room for nuance.
I get it, but it saddens me to think how many people might be around me both irl and online that would be alright with or even happy about the death of unarmed people of all ages and genders. Or that the people on the left in particular (since that’s my camp) suddenly don’t care about sexual violence if it’s being perpetrated against someone they’ve decided deserved it or was a legitimate target because of social grievances
I get that too, but I dont think social media is really a great place to get a representative idea of how people are truly feeling about things.
A lot of social media tends to evolve into echo chambers, so not great for wider views. As mentioned too, it’s not great for nuance. While I think most people are probably capable of getting the nuance of a situation, when “discussing” things online, having to type your thoughts out into a few small paragraphs, that all just seems to get completely lost, and only the bullet points, which are often the most extreme parts, remain.
Lemmy is also seemingly filled with tankies and people that seem like they want to be edgy just to be edgy or specifically to push certain viewpoints/ideologies. And considering that it’s not a widely adopted platform, I think it’s especially not representative of people as a whole.
And of course with the anonymity of the internet, people know they can say stuff just to get other people frustrated or angry with no consequences to their own personal lives.
There are a lot of people on the left who think that they oppose things by adopting the reverse of whatever Mainstream Media says or by unironically endorsing what the right wing fear mongers about.
For example, if the Mainstream media dehumanises Palestinians, then they should dehumanise Israelis back. Opposing Israeli apartheid is not only the same as supporting Hamas but not supporting Hamas means your don’t REALLY care about Palestinian liberation.
Another example being that liberals and conservatives fear monger about how Palestianians all want to kill Israelis and anyone who supports the settler state, and so some people on the left adopt that as their actual viewpoint in order to “oppose” the right.
I think the issue is, one is UN recognized state supported officially by the biggest military power in the world, spending billions in tax payer money in aid. While the other are people who are living in the biggest open prison in the world, get water, gas, electricity, and mobility shutdown constantly. And barley have any voice as media suppressed their truth.
Now when the state kills people, with no guns or weapons, in front of the cameras, on the streat nothing happened. When the other do the same, presidents all over the world not only condem the act put also make it clear they support the state that publicly committing war crimes.
Hamas is evil and anyone on here supporting them are complicit in supporting evil.
Hamas is a monster fed by Israeli antagonism because feeding those trying to coexist peacefully prevents colonization. They build a monster to fight in order to get more support from people who simply want the monster to go away. All the while, they move to accomplish their real goal of getting rid of Palestinians like other evil empires have attempted to do to Jewish people for millenia. It’s a fucking tragedy to see people that should know the pain of discrimination more than anyone, perpetuate the cycle of violence. Theocratic nationalism is a sin against humanity.
I could easily say:
Israel is evil and anyone on here supporting them is complicit in supporting evil.
But their evil isn’t as flashy and sensational
Whatabboutism at its best. Lovely
That was not my intention. It was to show that blanket statements are cheap and easy to make.
You’d be the guy saying Native Americans are “evil” for fighting against European colonizers.
Are you saying that europeans have a historical claim to America from BCE???
Different scenario because European colonizers actually had a home.
Where the fuck are the Jews supposed to go?
Where the fuck are the Jews supposed to go?
Wherever they want? There’s tons of other places for the Israelis to go make lives for themselves. Who the fuck cares if they have “a state” or not? Just go fucking live and don’t fuck shit up for yourselves or the people around you.
Demanding a “safe space” for your particular genetic deviation in this day and age is nothing more than nationalism. The Jewish people have an established history that encompasses the entire planet. What difference does it make if they have a “state” or not? Do you think the millions of non-practicing jews around the world give a shit?
Disclaimer: The people saying Jews shouldn’t exist are ignorant, evil assholes. Also, the jews saying they have a right to bulldoze Palestinian homes are ignorant, evil assholes.
Fuck off with your religious/ethnic bullshit and figure out how to live alongside other fucking people.
So you believe in kicking 10 million people out of their homes and telling them to just figure it out?
Like before, or now? Which one do You oppose?
Did they bulldoze a Palestinian farm to get their home?
Did you even read anything I wrote or did you just fucking knee-jerk to shitheel zionist talking points? You sound like a shitty AI bot.
Funny bit about the AI bot because when I asked you about Native American reservations it’s like you didn’t have an answer bc no one programmed you with that response yet.
Who cares if they have a state or not? Did you magically forget 6 millions innocent jews vanishing in ww2? Who would protect the jewish race (yes it’s a race, according to everyone in the world sadly) besides themselves? They 100% should have a country, and they 100% shouldn’t have gotten the land of israel. But who gave them it? The world. The UN vote. So blaming them is not really fair. Ever since getting it from the UN, they did nothing but keep it safe, because again, who would defend their race but themselves.
Demanding a “safe space” for your particular genetic deviation in this day and age is nothing more than nationalism.
Do you feel the same way about Native American reservations?
I’m sorry, but what point are you trying to make?
Asking you a question, how do you feel about Native American “safe spaces”?
Sealions?
I mean it would have been better to give them a chunk of Germany.
Idk maybe they should have not done the exact same terrible things hamas is now doing. I think hamas is wrong and evil, but they didnt cast the first stone.
That’s such shortsighted opinion that if all humanity followed it there would be not a piece of the Earth left to live on. People don’t automatically turn terrorist and torture civilians even if they go to war. But in this case they choose to and do cause increased suffering to others beyond whats necessary to win the fight because they enjoy when they can cause others to suffer. It’s sick and deviant. No excuse.
If they were more civilized (e.g. not rapping and torturing civilians) maybe there would be dozen of countries and organizations helping them with necessities and asylum but who in their healthy mind would go there to be humanitarian risking to be tortured, raped and made their body paraded through their streets?
I hear they’ve stopped doing rapping, and not just because rap music isn’t as popular there.
When the wars are over, people in all other conflicts have generally gone home. Sierra Leone, Rwanda, america, Ukraine before, maybe Ukraine again soon, Poland, France, Belgium, Egypt, and Germany. When the war is over, people return home and begin rebuilding.
If the followers of judaism want to go home, I’m sure they’d be welcomed home and allowed to re/immigrate quickly and easily to the nations their parents fled from. Most could claim full citizenship quickly due to their parents’ citizen status or the parents of their parents.
I don’t think any Jewish person willing to live peacefully should be made to leave Palestine (if it ever gets “liberated”). They also built a home and became part of the area, many without any fault of their own. Imagine just being born there into this mess. This has been going on for 75 years, people have lived and died already. It would be wrong again to de-home people. This has been the issue from the start. There is enough infrastructure in current-day Israel to be enough for everyone to live and prosper with dignity.
There has to be a solution that works for everyone, with the smallest number of casualties. It might take decades, but what’s another couple of decades compared to 75 years of Israeli oppression?
That being said, settlers should give the homes they stole back immediately.
It must be lovely to have such a simplistic world view. I wish I was as sure about anything as you are about this notoriously complicated subject.
How is killing parents in front of their children, kidnaping these children, filming yourself with said children crying and showing them as trophies , crashing a festival and murdering over 200 participants a complicated subject ?
Maybe think about reconsidering your own views of if the world if you support these acts.
it’s almost like the entire region is nothing but two sides led by religious radicals who believe that it is their task to purge the other side.
there are plenty of cases where anti-arab terrorist did similar, often but not always as part of the military, one of who is the current Israeli minister of internal security.
Did I say I support them? I just said speaking out it as good v evil, black v white is simplistic. Do you disagree?
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Nobody is saying this is good vs evil except you.
The person I was responding to called hamas evil. You called hamas evil. The cognitive dissonance is strong in you.
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Saying someone is acting evil and calling an entire group evil, regardless of actions, are two different things. Equating them to make your position stronger is a transparent attempt to sidestep the point.
No, but you’re defending them. What makes them different really than any mass killers trying to get what they want through violence?
You’ve gotta be one of those people that are just mad at society and want to lash out, seeing that anyone that doesn’t agree with you must be punished.
There’s no way you would go out of your way for any other reason. You need therapy.
I’m defending them because the world has thrown them away and they don’t have a propaganda arm of their government to sway public opinion. Without people like me speaking to the struggle and humanity of the Palestinians they become otherized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_(philosophy)
Hamas is evil, they’re a literal terrorist organization that uses fear and violence as their primary tools and methods. The situation Hamas operates in is absolutely nuanced but saying a terrorist organization is evil and supporting a terrorist organization makes you complicit in supporting evil is not an indicator of a simplistic world view, it’s stating an objective fact. If anything you’re the one expressing a simplistic worldview by ignoring the obvious truths of the situation and its various pieces in favor of obfuscating the parts of the situation that are self evident and clear.
You just hand waved a bunch of shit and replied with “No You.” This position holds no water.
Idk man, they remind me of Hezbolla. Terrorist organization with social programs. They wanted the destruction of Israel and on multiple occasions used the phrase “exterminate the Jews”.
Hamas is an evil organization, by evil I mean genocide, apartheid, terror, and fear being their governing styles. They’re just less successful at their genocide than China is.
I don’t know what to tell you, but not Hamas or the Israeli government are interested in peace, in fact many members of the current government were anti-arab terrorists beforehand, and now some guy who got his kicks murdering Muslims in mosques, and praising soldiers who openly execute children as heroes is in charge of the police, and a “settler”(see imperial expansion) in charge of the military, and of course the “Palestinians aren’t even people” PM they have.
this is what racism and ethnostate bullshit brings
That’s well put, and I couldn’t agree more.
supporters of Hamas or the Israeli government got mad
But they have no power. They are in a glorified prison and that prison keeps getting smaller. They want to exterminate the people keeping them in that prison. How on earth does that make them anything like one of the 2 most powerful countries in the world trying to make a genetically homogeneous china?
Israel unilaterally left gaza around 20 years ago.
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I’ve given you as much of a response as your comment was worth. Have a good day.
Heaven forbid you examine yourself. I can have good day because my country has a military and government to protect my human rights. I’m sure yours does too. Palestinians don’t. The only thing they have left to fight for their own humanity is terrorism. But that’s not simple, so lets just call them evil.
I’d suggest taking your own advice, buddy.
I did and it turns out Geopolitics is just as simple as Trump says! Thanks for setting me straight, I thought that a thousand year conflict was complicated but if I just call one side evil it gets so much simpler. Thank you so much, buddy.
The purpose of using more words than ‘no you’ is expressed in the comment.
Ends justify the means sort of thing?
Who are you responding to? Because this makes no sense as a response to me.
You seemed to be implying Hamas isn’t black and white terrible. I was wondering if you thought that because their bad means (terrorism and corpse defiling) are justified by their good (or grey) cause.
Well aren’t you just a sensationalist. I think its not black and white due to the humanitarian atrocities perpetuated on the palestinian people by the israeli government and its people. These are the chickens coming home to roost. When we see videos of bullies getting their comeuppance on the internet its always cheering for the little guy, but as soon as that bully is a country you support it seems a lot of people on the internet put their blinders on.
No I don’t cheer for the little guy getting their comeuppance, especially when the ‘little guy’ it is just taking their rage out against bystanders. Would you agree that rape, murder, and defiling corpses, especially for the purpose of terrifying other people is bad? No matter what the end/cause?
It is, now, black and white because Hamas made it so . They went way of deviant-psychos to make sure no one can doubt they are the scum.
They could have e.g. ask for international help, go public etc. They choose to cause suffering so they don’t want to improve their living conditions they want to worsen them for others.
When you attack a festival for peace, guess what? You’re the bad guys.
Festival for peace
Where is this coming from? This article mentions that CNN reported it but CNN just says “an all-night dance party, celebrating the Jewish holiday of Sukkot”
The “it was a peace festival” seems to just be (not very good) propaganda to help drum up support for further Palestinian genocide.
Edit: it seems that this was something CNN initially reported but retracted later. Damage already done, other articles are quoting CNN’s previous statement that it was a “festival for peace”
In addition to its harvest roots, the holiday also holds spiritual importance with regard to its abandonment of materialism to focus on nationhood, spirituality, and hospitality
That’s a reach and not a good one. An overnight dance festival on Sukkot and “a festival for peace” suggest very different things.
Especially if “nationhood” is one of the things in this context.
You may be misunderstanding the concept of “nation”
a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
Jews everywhere perceive themselves as the same “nation” of Judaism
That’s entirely fair. In any case though “a festival for peace” and an all night dance festival on a holiday still suggest hugely different things no matter how you dice it.
Ok u win. I didn’t want to admit it, but I guess because it wasnt a festival for peace it’s no big deal
Any theories on why ppl are getting all upset about this?
Maybe they havent heard you explain that it wasnt quite a festival for peace they attacked but a slightly different kind of festival?
Oh, well if it was a Jewish dance party then they deserved to die.
Certainly not what I said, it’s just important to fight misinformation.
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These are international festivals. Their Facebook page is still up last time I checked which could be a deadly mistake. The announcements etc were mentioning it and there are people who blames them for finding a “f.cked up place” to set it.
You got to be kidding me 😂 a peace festival in a settler state 😂
But Reddit and Lemmy keep telling me Hamas are the oppressed good guys! /S
I am yes to see that on Lemmy in the way you describe /: seems like everyone agrees that killing civilians is wrong, including when Israel does it.
you missed the Marxists from lemmygrad who yesterday kept cheering for Hamas and kept downplaying their savagery
Ah okay, so when you said lemmy, you meant lemmygrad specifically
Marxists and the far-left are also spread all over Lemmy, not just lemmygrad, you could see more pro-terrorist comments from other instances. Their pattern is usually the same: rebrand it as “resistance”, downplay the fact that they targeted mainly civilians, and rewrite the facts by claiming for example that the woman was just being transported for burial.
Yes but lemmygrad and hexbear are hardly representative of the fediverse.
Of course, I don’t think I implied that. What I meant to say is that they were very active yesterday on any thread about Hamas’ terrorist attack to defend them.
Yeah I hear that. I’ve definitely been liberally blocking instances
No, but the original person this discussion started with did imply that.
But Reddit and Lemmy keep telling me Hamas are the oppressed good guys! /S
What about ML?
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Ok
Not to mention how they see Palestinians as pawns
They almost always circlejerk themselves into admitting one of the reasons they’re so giddy about civilian slaughter is because they think it’ll mean resources will be diverted from Ukraine so daddy Putin can conquer it and genocide those kulaks like grampappy Stalin did!
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The entire situation is fubar. I feel for the citizens of both Israel and Palestine as both countries are just horrible to each other. To me it feels like there is no good side, whatever you choose, you end up with one form of evil x.x
I wish there would be a good way to solve this but I am not sure that this will be fixed any time soon. Hopefully the bloodshed will be minimal, because hoping for none at all would be futile
Someone hasn’t been to hexbear and lemmygrad today.
Literally in this thread right now.
Yeah and the Hamas supporting comments are downvoted to hell. Where is the problem?
In this thread yeah, but in other ones they’re at the top.
Which ones?
https://lemmy.world/post/6485742
Most there are like “yeah murdering and raping innocent civilians is bad but what choice do the poor Palestinians have after Israel stole their land”.
Top 8 comments in that thread condemn it. The ninth one is downvoted to hell.
Here, for example: https://lemmy.world/comment/4223593
Looks to me more like a healthy discussion /:
There are no good guys in this story.
I’m sure that western media will handle this news in a completely rational, reasonable, and non-inflammatory way.
I don’t know if anyone can cover things this horrible entirely rationaly. But I hope they at least examine their bias.
Don’t worry, they won’t
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Do you not understand the concept of time and space as limited resources? The media chooses which stories to boost. Believing that all war crimes and other events will be reported, and reported with the weight they deserve is pure fantasy. And what stories are given attention are ultimately going to shape people’s narratives.
This seems to be a swipe at Western media, but are you sure you want to make the point over crimes against humanity and war crimes?
Yes
What is a rational, reasonable, non-inflammatory way to handle such a story, in your opinion?
By not isolating the single worst instance in over 500 deaths as being representative of both the entire conflict and movements behind it. It took a lot of atrocities to get us to this point in the first place.
Look: I’m a very vocal critic of the way media covers Israel and its far right ruling party, but I feel like this is a terrible place to go to reading this.
War is hell. Terrorism is hell. What happened to this woman sand others is tragic. I hope this woman is alive and is recovered, I hope hostilities end as soon as possible, and I hope the treatment of Palestinians improves, and that Hamas and the Israeli far right are both disempowered of their ability to cause harm.
Look: I’m a very vocal critic of the way media covers Israel and its far right ruling party
I believe you believe that
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No, this incident is special because she’s neither Palestinian nor Israeli, was purposely killed anyway, and then her corpse was paraded and glorified. Race has absolutely nothing to do with that. It would be just as horrific if she were instead a black man from the US, or if Israel had done it.
It doesn’t matter who the victim is, or who the perpetrator is – they’re fucking monsters and need to die.
It’s about their position counter to what Hamas wants to see women to be.
This is a story because it is an illustration of the oppression they desire.
Just checking to make sure, you believe that this is the first person to be killed by Israel or Hamas that wasn’t from the region?
That was purposely killed in an indiscriminate attack and then their body paraded around? I believe so. The international community is generally not harmed in these conflicts and then their corpse celebrated.
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guess you haven’t seen this yet
Because it was all at once? I’m sure numbers are similar on both sides if not far more killed by Israelis, just not in large scale attacks. So the issue is that they were loud and immediate instead of slow simmering genocide?
