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I’m not sure if this is technically Technology news, but I can remove this post if it’s in the wrong community
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Musk brought up the idea of charging all users of X/Twitter during a wide-ranging conversation focused on AI that featured Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday. “[We’re] moving to a small monthly payment for use of the X system,” Musk told Netanyahu, claiming that it is the only way to eliminate the problem of bots, as reported by Bloomberg’s Dave Lee.
Musk didn’t mention timing of his plan to charge X/Twitter users, nor did he say how much it would cost.
Musk, who also is CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, has said X/Twitter ad sales have plunged 50% since he bought the company. “We’re still negative cash flow, due to ~50% drop in advertising revenue plus heavy debt load,” Musk posted on July 15.
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So I mean, if this was in lieu of data collection and tracking, this is what more of the software world should actually do. Running platforms isn’t free, and making the user the product is a malicious and unsustainable solution.
That said, I certainly wouldn’t pay Twitter - I think I’d rather donate to a Mastodon instance, or pay for some other private alternative. Musk is awful for so many reasons, holds way too much power, and deserves no money of mine.
if this was in lieu of data collection and tracking
I guarantee this isn’t in lieu of, it’s in conjunction with.
Yup. You can see this kind of stuff happening with ads in things you buy.
There was a model of “ad supported” and “pay to own”
But some exec figured out you could do both and double dip.
There is no world in which things get more consumer friendly unless it’s forced
That’s actually a good point about how some services do require payment to provide safe service to their users. A very close to home example would be your local Lemmy instance. In order to run the servers and keep it ad (and tracking) free, each instance needs donations from their users. The same is true for Mastodon, as you mentioned.
The problem is, I would be shocked if Twitter actually provided a safer (or improved in any way) service. There are a other issues at play as well, but they all basically boil down to most users not wanting too give money to Twitter, and if they were ok with that, they would already have purchased Twitter Blue.
Fully agree.
I know it is a popular sentiment that people should migrate to Mastodon, but I personally think people will migrate wherever the people they follow migrate to.
With this in mind, I suspect Bluesky will be the platform to usurp Twitter; but with Twitter chasing off all their users in the near future, it may go to whichever platform is readily open at the time.
I’m very curious to see if Bluesky or Spill open up when Twitter closes the door on its users. If not, Mastodon may have a shot at being the next large platform…
The biggest problem with Bluesky is it’s owned by another musk.
He’s not great, but that’s an exaggeration
Not an exaggeration.
Dorsey more of a proto-Musk IMO. He went off to an island to live with cocaine and guns. He only came back recently to create another social network
because he hates Musk’s guts. (Edit: I guess I was wrong, and he doesn’t hate Musk)Don’t get me wrong, I’m pretty sure the guys fucking insane, but I also don’t think he’s as bad as musk or as hell-bent on destroying democracy. He’s just interested in making money to buy more cocaine and islands and guns.
Dorsey is a best pal of Musk’s
Are you sure? I know they used to be super friends, but I thought they had a falling out.
Thick as thieves.
Hmm… either they made up, or I’m thinking of something else. I’ll take your word for it.
Anyway, the rest of what I said stands. Dorsey may be bonkers (check out that Vice interview from a year or two ago), but he’s not even in the same league of evil bastards as Musk. He may be completely a self-interested billionaire, scumbag, but he’s not a literal fascist with Musk’s track record, nor is he actively stoking neo-nazi activity while personally interfering with an ongoing war in favor of our country’s greatest and longest-standing enemy.
I think you’re giving Jack Dorsey a bit too much credit by calling him another musk.
Edit: Although… he kinda was “Musk before Musk” if you know what I mean. Like I first said: proto-Musk.
Fair enough. Cheers ✌🏻
Why Bluesky when there is ecosystem of dozens community-baked and deployed apps?
Is bluesky up yet? I’d assume everyone will just go to bluesky anyway.
From what I can tell, it’s still on the invite system; but I haven’t been keeping a close eye on it. I figured if it opened up, I would hear about it online.
That would finish off Twitter instantly.
He’s not THAT dumb. Right guys?
…right??
Isn’t that supposedly the plan?
Spock: Twitter is dying.
Kirk: Let it die.
Do it! Do it!
Rip the bandaid off! Get this shit closed down and be done with it.
What about a fee for every X install like Unity?
Musk is an absolute idiot. But I’d rather pay for a system than have it mine me for data. I’m guessing he wants to do both though. Because that’s what he does with Tesla cars.
Yeah, it’s both. Final answer.
Xitter, pronounced shitter
He should totally do it and charge per post as well.
Use unitys model and charge per view, “Your post got 200k views, start paying up! 1 cent per view”
I really hope this happens. It already was dying, but this would be the final nail in the coffin for the stubborn users who are still on there for some reason. Clearly Twitter Blue has been failing.
Gotta hand it to Musk, he’s mastodon’s greatest promoter.
On one hand, I’d love for it to finally die, but those toxic communities will simply move to a new site and do the same thing they did on Twitter. Like ants.
On the other hand, a lot of people have grown their business through Twitter and have relied on it. Most other sites don’t have the same functionality and large number of people that make it so easy like Twitter.
So I guess I’m on the fence about Twitter dying.
Frankly I do not understand Twitter. Never been a member. Have looked at linked content sometimes but it always looks like a bunch of short meaningless thoughtless content. So I think Twitter has 0 value.
The people that seem to like it are those that want to be “the person” people follow or those that want to follow “the person”. Both are kind of offensive behaviors as far as I am concerned.
Have looked at linked content sometimes but it always looks like a bunch of short meaningless thoughtless content. So I think Twitter has 0 value.
I mean, that was the original point of twitter. Jack Dorsey took Facebook’s status updates feature and made a whole website about it. You’d follow people you knew in real life as well as famous people you liked and then could see short updates about their life and their interests. Most of the very first tweets were just innocuous little updates. 50cent said he was in Turkey. Warren Buffet said he joined the app. A bunch of random non celebrities posted messages about what they were cooking that day.
Twitter effectively ran this concept into the ground when it 1) removed the character limit (it was originally 140 chars), and 2) added thread reply features.
The amazing thing to me is that people actually care about that. Obviously a lot of people do. I cannot fathom it. It is just not me. Kind of confirms I made a good choice by ignoring Twitter.
Okay.
A new platform has the potential for better moderation and better design to keep those unsavory elements in check. Since Musk has made himself the enemy, the only path forward is for Twitter to die. Nothing good will come from it as long as he is in charge.
I don’t use Xitter, what functionality does it have that’s not stupidly easy to implement? As far as I can tell the only thing that Xitter has is a userbase - and when they drive them away they’ll have nothing [but debt].
I want to charge Musk every time he makes another asshole announcement about running one of his companies into the ground. Just fuck off, dude.
If you had a nickel for every time musk edged a promising platform closer to worthlessness and destruction you’d have a mother fucking shit ton of nickels.
One of the richest people in the entire world wants still more money. Tell me again how “trickle-down economics” works?
Ok, I loathe the man, hate the shit show he’s made TwitX, think he’s a clown, generally hate billionaires, etc. But this is kinda a really stupid comment.
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You’re right, I could definitely have written this in a more respectful, constructive way.
No, see, it’s like an inverted pyramid, and the little our overlords permit us of the product of our labor trickles down to them, you see.
He’s the wealthiest man in the world. That doesn’t mean he has a lair full of cash and just wants more. People really struggle to understand the difference between wealth and money in the bank. This isn’t about hoarding money just for the sake of it.
I understand the difference, but he’s collecting stuff just because it’s shiny. He’s short of cash because he has no impulse control, and I fail to see why he shouldn’t fail the same way other people who overextend themselves fail.
What makes you think he’s short on cash? Wealthy people don’t store their wealth in cash anyways. The money is tied to the stocks of the companies they’re running. That’s why he needed to lend the money for twitter too; he doesn’t have that kind of cash, but people are willing to borrow it to him because of his wealth.
If you just had read the article you’d see that they have lost 50% of the advertisers and are losing money. This isn’t about wanting more money just for the sake of it. No company can exist if their finances are on the negative.
And yet here they are…
What are you saying?
I still have a Twitter account. Checking in to see who is still advertising.
“Knees over toes guy”… some personal trainer thing?
Google pixel with comments turned off
Some ethereum outfit…
Youtube advertising football stuff with comments turned off
Amazon music advertising s9me podcast
ESPN sport center
Shrug
Yo knees over toes guy slaps, I’m a huge fan and have been since the pandemic.
I definitely fell victim to the marketing but goddamn if his workouts haven’t helped my knee pain!
How can he slap?! 😫
In all seriousness, though, what’s the angle? Building musculature to support joints? Or is it some sort of weight lifting reference?
Don’t quote me on this but I believe his thing is what the handle says; knees over toes. It used to be considered to be bad for your joints doing exercises such as deep squats for example, but his belief is that it’s the exact opposite. He used to have really bad knees himself, and couldn’t really play basketball like he wanted to, but by doing these exercises he was able to strenghten his knees to the point they no longer cause issues for him. The main exercise he’s recommending is pulling a sled backwards. He tells about Finnish lumberjacks who used to drag logs backwards like this and how they had super strong knees.
