I believe you can still get “dumb” flatscreens, but they’re getting rare, and they cost at least hundreds more than their “smart” brethren. So of course those sell very slowly.
The older I get the more I miss the sheer freedom that was built into our daily lives back when technology was just a notch or two less advanced. Phones that stayed trapped on their wall, not in your pocket, tracking you. TVs that were made of dumb stuff that could still pull free content from the air. You had to be part of a special “Nielson family”, fully set up with a little tracking box and all that, for the TV to tell anybody what you were watching.
People expected you to basically fall off the earth for 8 hours at work, and didn’t expect to contact you for less than a housefire-level emergency, which meant you spent most of the day free, and not just while you were at work. Nobody blinked if you stepped out for the evening to go shopping and could not be contacted for hours. Now people end up in screaming arguments because they didn’t answer that text fast enough. It’s misery.
I had a shock the other day, watching some YouTube short featuring a young woman (an adult, not a minor) complaining humorously about her mother, who always knows where she is, and thus has all sorts of unwanted opinions on her location. Mother always knows because of an app called Life360, which is basically the kind of spying app that an abusive spouse would hide on your phone. But it’s not hidden. You force your children to install it on their phones. It’s a leash. So now this adult woman, who of course cannot quite afford to leave home, because economy, cannot simply delete this spying app from her phone without consequences and arguments, so she has no privacy in her movements, from anyone, never mind the government and such. Never mind what actual minors are now putting up with.
We have officially left the era where the adults pissed and grumbled about them damn kids wanting them damn phones they don’t need, and we are now in the era where some kid has absolutely been beaten with a belt because he tried to leave his phone in the bedroom and slip out of the house in privacy.
Things like Life360 are normalized among children and parents, so other people will now expect to track you and treat a refusal of tracking as a violation of trust, and probably a sign that you are elderly, thus your rights are becoming debatable.
Again, 5 minutes ago this was evil shit that abusive spouses snuck onto people’s phones, suddenly, it’s normal, and people will just expect it.
I guess the ongoing shock is that we expected Big Brother to somehow slap a shackle on our necks that we can’t take off, but this is all worse. This is putting the shackle on your neck, every morning. It doesn’t even lock. You could, theoretically, throw it into the lake at will. Nobody would stop you. But you don’t. All the chains are made of other people. The whips at your back are the opinions of children, and what they think is normal. The surveillance cameras do not loom from posts in the sky, no. They’re in every pocket. They’re much harder to hide from than a security camera ever would be.
I hope I’m just melodramatic, or something.
“The greatest form of control is when you think you’re free, when you’re being fundamentally manipulated and dictated to. One form of dictatorship is being in a prison cell and you can see the bars and touch them. The other one is sitting in a prison cell but you can’t see the bars and you think you’re free.”
-David Icke
Imagine quoting david Icke unironically lol
A broken clock is right two times a day.
I’ve still got an old 1080p LG TV.
I got it early in the chord cutting days, and knew that Smart TVs were going to be at shitty option.
Smartest decision I ever ever made.
(which is quite sad really, it’s just a TV).
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“I love my smart TV. I love the way it takes a long time to boot up because it’s trying to refresh the advertisements on the home screen. I delight in the way it randomly restarts because it’s downloaded an update without asking me, each of which makes the TV slower and slower with every subsequent install. I adore the way it buries the apps that I want to use, and that I use without fail every single time, below the apps that it’s being paid to promote and which I have never touched in my life and would never use without the cold metal of a glock pressed hard against my sweating temple. I am infinitely thrilled by the way the interface lags constantly, due to the need to have one thousand unnecessary animations rendered on hardware ripped wholesale from a ten year old phone. I feel myself borne aloft on wings of pure joy when I am notified that my data will be collected and analysed to determine my usage patterns. Even now I am writing this from a field of beautiful flowers and soft luscious grass as I lie and look up happily at the bright blue sky, smiling happily to know that this is the future of technology.”
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The most egregious action I’ve seen was from a Vizio smart TV I bought several years ago. It shipped with a simple remote control, and a tablet with a control app preinstalled. One day I turned the TV on and was notified that in order to use the updated UI I would need to reach out to support to order (and pay for!) a new remote that had additional buttons.
I just purchased a new Samsung TV. it required an Internet connection when I first set it up, but once I got through that initial data dump / update, I reset the network configuration and turned it back into a dumb(er) TV.
I use a piholed Roku 4k for my main streaming device. I will admit it is also trying its damnedest to track what I consume and serve ads to me too, but what am I going to do? Read a book?
Someone should start a brand like Nothing Phone / other niche phone manufacturers, but for TVs. Many of us have an attachment to iOS that makes the phone space really difficult, but I’d jump on a beefed up nerdy niche smart TV in a heartbeat.
Who knew my anti-consumption / general frugalness would lead to me having a better TV experience than people who buy the high end gadgets
I have a 50" Panasonic plasma from 2008 in my bedroom. I’ve replaced the power board once, in '18, but it plays for 8 hours a night plus any other use.
I have a 60" samsung in my livingroom, it’s been serviced by some geek 3 times since I bought it in '19.
Have a regular PC hooked up to the TV. That’s my smart machine. I control every aspect of it. Fuck Smart TVs.
Raspberry pi with Kodi hooked up to a projector and a NAS serving files works well for me.
This is the way, although the pi is to slow for me at this point and I replaced it with shields.
Also why the are people connecting tvs to their networks…fuck that noise.
I’m waiting for the Raspberry Pi 5 to set up as a media PC behind my tv. There are really good, reliable, and high quality sites that let you stream any movie or TV show. No need to vpn or torrent. Firefox with ublock origin streaming anything I want in 1080 for free.
I should add I have a RP4 and it’s not beefy enough to stream 1080p full screen from a browser to my 4k tv.
I use an RP4 and it’s fine with streaming 1080p h.265 stuff off my NAS drive, though it did struggle a bit with serving up the Planet Earth videos. It claims to be able to decode 4k, but probably not very well.
I mean that’s nice but can you run Netflix/Hulu/AppleTV/HBO through that thing? Or can you only play media that you illegally downloaded?
I haven’t tried. Through a Web browser, maybe. There’s a Kodi netflix addon, I know that. It’s just a Debian box, so any solution that’d work on a Linux machine would probably be okay.
any solution that’d work on a Linux machine would probably be okay.
I don’t think there is a Linux solution. That’s the problem.
What do you mean? I gave you a couple of Kodi plugins that cover most of what you mentioned, plus, you could probably just use a Web browser.
That’s not really a “solution” so much as a “workaround”. It’s unofficial community-maintained software with complicated installation, limited features, and that the service providers can break at any time. And even if that weren’t the case, that’s only 2 providers.
If I need to use a web browser, why wouldn’t I just skip Kodi altogether and just plug in my laptop?
There’s a reason Google TV is an entirely different operating system from Chrome OS.
What about the rest of them?
Do your own googling, I got bored after 3 :p
When I completely replaced my PC, I intended to use my old PC as a media box. But in reality, I’ve basically used my Chromecast for everything. One of these days I’ll probably want to watch something that isn’t on one of my streaming sites, but I’ve been surprisingly resistant to that so far.
Chromecast is the ideal smart device so far, for me. No ads or anything. I use my phone as a remote and basically every video app supports it easily. Open app, press cast, select what I want to play. Exactly what a smart TV should have been like.
What type of Chromecast do you use? I recently bought a Chromecast Ultra for a new TV after being happy with a secondhand one for years (3rd gen, I think). The difference in UI was such a disappointing step down. I don’t want a home screen with apps and ads, I just want something I can stream to from my phone! And I can’t say for certain, but it also feels like I get more ads on YouTube compared to using the older Chromecast.
No you bought a Chromecast with Google TV. A Chromecast ultra is just a 4k version of the original. I used my CCwGTV for 8 months then sold it and got a CC ultra instead. I hate the promoted content from networks and apps I would never use.
Careful though, some smart TVs actually list in the ToS where they’ll take screen captures of what you’re watching for “informational purposes”, make sure you have all data collection turned off anyway even if you don’t use it as such.
The ethernet cable goes to the computer, not the TV.
Back in my day you owned the hardware you bought and were allowed to install a custom operating system.
This is a political argument.
Are people not allowed to make that argument or what is the issue here?
Okay.
Conservatives have stripped this country of its hard earned labor equality as recent as 1972. And heavily enforced in 1982, when some dumbshit Movie reality star was elected as president by the mouthbreathing Dumbfuck Party of Law And Order.
Meh, I’m too bored of this to even continue
That made me chuckle because I did feel that boredom in my bones. I wish the US could magically get over the bullshit that has come from electing entertainers as presidents overnight.
I was simply stating a fact. I don’t have a winning dog in this round.
I love my pihole…
I never experience any of this…
This is the greatest thing ever, but I guess my fucking LGTV running 5.9 was patched sometime in the last year so it doesn’t work. Page loads, tries to root, and throws a 403 error. Fuck.
anything like this for Tizen? (Samsung TVs)
This is the future that Stallman warned us about. They mocked him and said it didn’t matter. It’s not going to get better until everyone stops buying TVs with spyware built in.
Vote with your wallets or quit bitching. Self hosted is an option these days. But that means not being lazy. And people are really lazy.
Vote with your wallet
When are we going to finally accept that this is nothing but a delusion? How many failed boycotts over and over will it take?
You sound triggered.
For those with similar problems, use pihole dns to effectively block all that bullshit
Also, do NOT buy a Samsung TV, it’s the worst offender of them all. Nothing but bad experiences with itl
Don’t buy Samsung anything. Their hardware is junk. They used to be okay, but they decided years ago that they want to be an advertising company, not a hardware company, so they push cheap crap that is used solely as data harvesting and ad delivery devices. Even their home appliances spy on you and break down a few years later.
I thought Samsung phones were okay.
Sadly, if you are using Linux and want your firmware updates for your SSD through the proper native channels, Samsung was the only option last time I checked. Crucial used to have a half-assed solution that they abandoned recently.
Huh, I’ve never actually updated any firmware for SSD or any other drives. I’ve updated my BIOS, but only rarely. Are there any significant advantages for updating HDD firmware? I guess I wasn’t even really aware that was something that you could do.
I got a Kingston SSD once ( yes I should have known better) that kept freezing my laptop which needed to be restarted. I couldn’t narrow it down and put up with it for an embarrassingly long time, until while looking for unrelated stuff I found out that the firmware version was associated with freezes. And then I found out that it was basically impossible to upgrade it, even on windows. After many hours, I was almost ready to give up, until I found some random Russian video (which I don’t speak) that used some ancient version of their shity firmware updater that you could only find in sketchy forums and software sites that could actually upgrade the firmware to a non-crashy version. I think it still freezes, but it’s orders of magnitude rarer.
Long story short, Kingston, not even once.
That sounds like the good old days of computing. I followed so much sketchy advice that I barely understood when I was still learning computing and it somehow almost always worked out. There was that one time when a program started deleting my entire hard drive though, and I had to yank the plug out of the wall to stop it. The internet truly was the wild wild West for a time. Good times!
Kingston! Once king and now just shite.
What is it with all brands of everything that once a brand turns great, it gets popular, and then immediately it turns shit?
It’s us or Capitalism… Personally I just use my Smart TV as a second monitor… if I wanna use it as a TV, I just go to tubi
Tubi sucks massive individual balls and nutsacks though. I use Cocks Communications for digital TV and it sucks balls and cocks too, but less so than Tubi.
I have my TV offline, connected to my Xbox, with HDMI-CEC enabled.
When I turn on the Xbox, it automatically turns the TV on, which goes to my last used input (the Xbox). From there I can launch whatever streaming apps I want.
I know I have to deal with Microsoft’s nonsense too, but at least the performance is good and it shows the most recent app at the top of my home page.
I buy TVs with Android TV built in because the freedom is great. I love I can install APKs, and generally they have every app that Android has. Whereas Roku doesn’t even have an official Twitch app.
Despite that, my fucking GOD they’re slow. Both my $2000 and $650 Android TVs are such a fucking lag fest. Even trying to pause a YouTube video is such shit.
They both run Android TV 9, despite Android TV 12 being out, and 14 in beta.
My CCwGTV is a lot better, but I only use that on my non smart TV because I hate juggling remotes.
Still wont stop buying Android TVs, though. Roku is so empty, those TVs with their own built in OS have even less apps. My sisters $5500 OLED TV only has Plex, no Emby. Which is insane. I think her TVs app store has a total of like 20 apps?
Twitch updated in January with a shitty UI that lags. I just disabled updates and installed an older version of the app via APK. That’s the benefit of Android TV.
EDIT: also can we please get some people on the Android TV custom ROM scene? It’s weird to me that NO TVs have any sort of custom ROM or rooting. You’d think they would?
