like, it’s caffeine and water and brown, who cares. i drink diet soda so it’s no calories, no sugar. versus the stereotype starbucks order, why is soda so demonized
the whole sort of basically woo stuff about oh there’s antioxidants there which give you a 3% lower risk of skin cancer after the age of 65 like come on that doesn’t count
Coffee is healthier than soda if you take your coffee black. Black coffee is basically just water. Soda will have either sugar or artificial sweeteners in additional to sodium and other additives that make it a less healthy option.
Coffee with milk would still be better for you than soda, but you’ve got a good point about coffee with sweeteners essentially being just as bad as soda. Maybe the reason people treat coffee differently is because there is a healthy way to drink it and they incorrectly extrapolate that fact to any type of coffee (no, your coffee with eight sugars is not healthier than a can of Coke). Add in the fact that coffee is an acquired taste and now you’ve got one drink that only adults tend to drink (coffee) and one drink that kids love (soda) and people incorrectly assume that coffee is a more “grown up” thing to drink.
Because people aren’t pouring 30-40 grams of sugar into their coffee. Also artificial sweeteners taste like shit and haven’t been proven to not cause other health issues.
Drink water.
Because people aren’t pouring 30-40 grams of sugar into their coffee.
I’ve seen people try. 🤢
If you have a large coffee with oat milk (which has tons of sugar/carbs) and sugar, it’s pretty damn close to that.
Your reasoning is on level with religious people claiming that atheists have to prove that god doesn’t exist.
How do you prove that you are not a murderer?
Oh god dude you’d kill us so quick in the pharmaceutical industry.
EVERYTHING is trying to kill us, were lucky when something doesn’t - so assuming a chemical we randomly made that tastes like sugar doesn’t emulate it 100% isn’t unreasonable
(and what do you know, there even are links between aspartame in diet coke and cancer)
The statement you think is supporting your belief is actually saying the opposite. WHO specifically does not claim that aspartame cause cancer.
However, what they did state is there was no reason to change the recommended acceptable daily intake level of 40 mg per kg of body weight per day .
Also, The FDA disagrees with IARC’s (what you refer to as WHO) conclusion that these studies support classifying aspartame as a possible carcinogen to humans. FDA scientists reviewed the scientific information included in IARC’s review in 2021 when it was first made available and identified significant shortcomings in the studies on which IARC relied. FDA also pointed out that JECF (also WHO) did not raise safety concerns for aspartame under the current levels of use and did not change the Acceptable Daily Intake (ADI).
So yeah… Just believing journalists trying to click bait you is probably more likely to give you cancer than following the recommendation from WHO regarding daily intake of aspartame.
I didn’t mention any regulatory bodies specifically, cause health should be generally referenced from as many sources as possible - but all those numbers are based on theoretical doses on rats, your coefficient of safety is gonna be that close to the theoretical??
Especially when there’s probably billions in companies like coke and Pepsi on the line, yet were still trending in the direction of stricter classification - you’re gonna risk your entire health on there being no bias???
You use a (heavily questioned) statement of an organization as a base for your claims when the organization explicitly doesn’t support your conclusion. It’s a fact that WHO still claims there is no dangers consuming the recommended daily amount.
The method used on rats to estimate the dangers is the method used when estimating dangers every other substances. So the argument is valid as long as you claim that every other substance cause cancer.
Then you end up nibbling on edges of the classic “the great aspartame conspiracy” but what you totally miss that “big sugar” is even more powerfull…
Nah I was lying to sound smart they almost for sure do human trials, but you’re totally lying too is the funniest part
Oh… More unsubstantiated claims from you… Well … have a nice Friday evening.
You’re the type of person who thinks plastics are perfectly safe because they are BPA free.
Everything is safe until it’s not.
I remember when doctors used to recommend smoking. I remember when doctors used to prescribe opiates for minor issues.
Basically, your logic sucks and I have zero reason to listen to you.
I just love how you end with “I have zero reason to listen to you” when no one has claimed such a thing and you were the one choosing to do the listening.
All of this because of me pointing out that WHO still claims that there is a daily amount of aspartame that is safe to consume and that the only thing you can prove is that something is unsafe and not the other way around.
By the way… If you think we should avoid aspartame because there is a suspicion that it might cause cancer I can imagine what you think about sugar, animal fat and protein which there is actual proof that it can cause everything from heart disease to cancer.
Basically the same drink? How?
Cup of black coffee and a cup of cola look similar, I guess…
People care? Do what you want to do, it’s your life. Have fun.
I don’t think they’re the same. One is warm, one is cold, one is sweet, one is bitter.
Who’s drinking warm soda?
Idk, but cold coffee is great in summertime.
Sugar.
Or sweeteners, we know now that Aspartame is bad for your health.
here’s a link for anyone interested
That WHO study is highly problematic. It has some fairly serious methodological flaws. It’s been disputed by the FDA. It is biased due to the panel comprising:
eight WHO panelists involved with assessing safe levels of aspartame consumption who are beverage industry consultants who currently or previously worked with the alleged Coke front group, International Life Sciences Institute (Ilsi).
Breaking news: everything gives you cancer (possibly)
So… you should like… avoid obvious signs of it? We have little wiggle room? wdym by this dog there’s defiantly an area between cancer riddled and 100% healthy
We don’t. It’s been studied for decades and all they could come up with was that “in massive quantities it’s possible it might cause cancer”. Which is shit. Everything in massive quantities breaks something.
It’s not recommended to intake more than 40mg per day per kilo of body weight. For a kid that could be two cans of coke.
I hope no one is giving their kid two cans of coke in a day, but I bet you a thousand pounds that they are.
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That’s actually really bad…lol
20oz of Coke contains like 15 tablespoons of sugar. Sweet coffee is healthier.
Edit: it’s teaspoons not tablespoons. I am wrong.
591.471 mL of Coke contains like 187.5 g of sugar. Sweet coffee is healthier.
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Actually I looked it up, a 20 US fluid ounce Cola has 14-18 [teaspoons] of sugar, 65 grams in normal units (for Coca Cola). So you completely botched it.
You’re right I did. My bad.
Corn syrup and chemicals but I’m not sure why people are downvoting your reasonable question
“Chemicals” is a description for literally everything.
I downvoted because this doesn’t feel like a casual conversation, more like trying to start an argument.
Pineapple belongs on pizza
Right there with jalapeño.
You misspelled “Watermelon”
Yeah I guess depending on whether honestly asking a question or making a point. Coffee is a bean. There is no Pepsi bean 😂
Coffee isn’t even a bean https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffea
Yea seed ok
they’re really proving my point. just this pure implicit bias for the stodgy adult drink that is functionally the same as soda - it’s liquid with caffeine
You probably should’ve asked this in !NoStupidQuestions…
The two beverages are not the same. Coffee can be served with or without milk/cream and sugar, but even with sugar, it has far less than is in soda. It also has a significantly higher quantity of caffeine.
People aren’t downvoting you because you drink soda; it’s because you asked a dumb question with a ridiculous and blatantly incorrect take. Just drink soda and don’t worry about what other people think. There’s not some mass of people judging you. No one cares if you drink soda in the morning…
But it’s just preposterous to be claiming they’re the same beverage or that soda is as effective as coffee at waking people up. How about milk and soda? Are they the same beverage? What about root beer and beer? Your argument is just blatantly false and silly. That’s why you’re being downvoted.
i was under the impression that ‘casual conversation’ meant ‘not necessarily being chastized for asking a lighthearted question without literally citing sources like i’m writing a thesis’
You made an absolutely absurd claim. It didn’t seem like it to you, whixh is obvious now, but that was not a lighthearted comment more like it was a slap in the face.
At least, all the people responding seem to have taken it as a challenge
Lots of sodas, most in fact, doesn’t have any caffeine in them at all.
People downvoting your question proves your point? That’s all it takes? Then what the fuck have we been wasting our time for?
Someone, call science quick! We can save them so much time and energy if they don’t need to do all that rigorous testing anymore, they can just ask the internet and see if it gets upvoted and downvoted!
Call the judges and cops and lawyers! They don’t need evidence or proof anymore, we can all just vote and that will prove if someone committed triple homicide clear as day on camera or not!
- I am usually cold in the morning, and thus prefer a hot drink.
- Soda is carbonated, and too much carbonation can cause esophageal issues (I have actually had this from too many carbonated drinks, it’s not just a fabricated boogeyman).
- Coffee with a modest amount of creamer (I do half a shot of coffeemate vanilla bean) is definitely healthier than soda, whether regular, diet, zero etc.
All that said, I will have a soda instead if we run out of either coffee or creamer. Vanilla Coke zero sugar is my go-to in that instance.
Most sugar alternatives used in soda really messes with your guts.
and dna
Fr, I know I already put too much sugar in my coffee (2 cubes for a full mug), but it’s nowhere near the equivalent of ~10 cubes per can in soda
Black coffee and tea are considered the healthiest options because no sugar, no sugar substitutes, no preservatives or other additives, and they’ve been used long enough that the health implications are well researched.
Diet sodas have ingredients that are considered safe in moderation by the FDA, but we are still learning about the long term effects of artificial sugars and different additives. There are caffeinated seltzers out there with just natural flavoring and caffeine. That would probably be a better comparison to black coffee and tea.
Maybe a bit of context would be in order because I don’t know anyone who would even blink if you started your day at work with soda.
Though I think if you started your average morning with drinking a soda first thing would be a bit weird. But it’s the same kind of weird that having hamburger meal or a full roast as breakfast is. It’s just not customary.
They’re both completely wrong. Hot chocolate is the sacred beverage of the morning, the holy breakfast.
Carbonated drinks are not good for your teeth. Even if they are of the zero sugar variant. The CO2 basically increases the acidity in the drink. They add a shit ton of sweetener or sugar to hide the sour taste. Drinking sodas right after brushing your teeth just negates the positive effects toothpaste will have on your teeth. Even worse if you brush your teeth after drinking a soda. The acidity of a soda makes your teeth softer then when you brush you basically scrape the enamel away.
And yes this is also true for fruit juice like orange juice.
Water and co2 combine to make a weak acid. But that isn’t the acid that is the issue. The real issue is that soda makers like coke intentionally make the soda more acidic, to cover up the overly sweet. Without the added acid the soda would taste way too sweet.
The real issue tho is all the sugar they put in it. All the added calories and triglycerides is what kills you over time.
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