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      The author wasn’t selling DLSS, they were selling a shim to make it work with Starfield. That does require original work.

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          Knowing how to do the work is most of the value here. Yes, it’s easy for those of us with the knowhow, but most people do not have that.

          Think of an artist who can whip up a cool drawing in about 10 minutes. It was “easy” in the moment, but only because they spent years learning and practicing the skills to make it so. You aren’t entitled to that artists labor for free just because it only took them a few minutes.

          Sit your average gamer down with a copy of Starfield and nvngx_dlss.dll and they won’t be able to do anything useful with it.

          It’s great that most modders and some artists like to share their work for free with the rest of the world, but the rest of us aren’t entitled to any of it.

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              You only have to pay for this mod once.

              An artist isn’t going to continue making modifications to a painting once you’ve bought it, not unless you pay them to do so. Presuming they aren’t feeling generous with their time.

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            I still might choose to take a picture of my buddy’s cool drawing that he bought rather than buying my own copy. Though I agree that I am certainly not entitled to a free print at the author’s expense.

            Conversely, if I bought that drawing myself and it came with reflective glass glued to the front, so that pictures turned out blurry, I might be a little annoyed. Now I can’t roll it up and put it with my other drawings without special accommodations. Also, I bought it and if I want to take a picture of it or wipe my ass with it then that is my choice. Making the life of your customers more difficult so you can make a little extra money is going to lose you some of those customers.

            Not that I begrudge someone for making good money, but that dude said he is making $40k a month from his Patreon for DLSS3 mods. Does he really feel like he isn’t get paid what his time was worth, or is he just getting greedy in a community that is usually more aligned with FOSS concepts?

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          Honestly, 90% of programming work now is “I got X library to work inside of Y new system in Z engine”. It makes sense too - it’s exceedingly rare that it makes sense to reinvent someone else’s wheel - and at times, not insignificant to implement the right hooks.

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          Things don’t need to be novel and amazing to be marketable. And if it’s that trivial, rather than pirating it people would just rewrite it. The fact that they’re stealing it means it has value.

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          Strange how they felt the need to pirate his non-work instead of just doing it themselves?

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              There’s no need to do a search. People are paying for this product. Meaning they couldn’t find it elsewhere.

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                  I mean that assumes that literally everyone is going directly to Nexus Mods to look for this, which is laughable…

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          And starfield itself is useless without a huge stack of technology that someone else made. That’s just how software works.

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            Hang on. You are telling me that schooling, parenting, and growing up in a community contributed to MY knowledge. And that, magically, will influence my art? Nonsense! I am a conduit for God.

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        Do you copy and paste comments from reddit? I read this exact comment last night I am SURE of it

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            Yes. Lemmy still sucks and everybody who isn’t in niche communities knows it. Lemmy is the same article spammed across 100 communities cross posted again across 100 instances, memes for teenagers, and Star Trek memes apparently.

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              I haven’t been on Reddit for weeks.

              But we both know this was a pointless question.

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        The author wasn’t selling DLSS

        So NVidia’s DLLs for DLSS are not included? (Honest question, I don’t even own the game.)

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          No, they are not included. The mod I use to enable it linked to a site that archives all the different DLSS DLL file versions. Honestly though, I couldn’t tell a difference between FSR2 and DLSS 3.5 in graphical fidelity nor performance (I have a 5950x and RX 3090).

          In case anyone’s curious about the performance with those specs: I average around 60fps at 1440p with everything maxed out when I’m in the major city, New Atlantis (haven’t gotten to another huge hub yet). In smaller areas/indoors/in space, I get around 100fps.

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            Are you sure the mod you’re using is injecting DLSS3? Using the DLSS 3.5 DLL is not related to that. If it’s only injecting DLSS2, it would be entirely expected to see negligible performance difference vs. FSR2.

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          I don’t know in this particular case, but the mods I have seen require you to provide the Nvidia DLL yourself.

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      But DLSS is an Nvidia DLL, you’re not even licensed to redistribute it - and you’re not doing anything special, you’re hooking into the data the engine spews out for FSR.

      If it’s not anything special, someone else could just “easily” reproduce it instead of having to pirate it?

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          They are not distributing components of the dll. They are creating a modification of a Bethesda game which has allowed modding at the discretion of Bethesda.

          The Nvidia dll is being redistributed without modification for an Nvidia GPU as exactly described.

          Do you think every single game publisher negotiated a deal or paid money to ensure DLSS in their game? Can you point out any documentation outside of the direct reference to the SDK license that I linked that is in direct opposition to what your are saying? Can you point to me any discussion what so ever about paying to implement DLSS?

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      If it’s so trivial to do why doesn’t everyone do it on their own?

      If it’s any easy mod to replicate it seems like it won’t have much self life as a paid mod.

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      I wouldnt be surprised if his patreon gets hacked or at least a cease and desist.

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      What do you mean you don’t wanna pay for shit I didn’t pay for either, and do so on a monthly basis??

      I should be allowed to freely profit off someone else’s work because I put some amount of personally chosen free time into my modifications and therefor should have power over the consumer and the original producer!!

      Oink Oink!

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    The modder also locked the DLSS3 mod behind a paywall, and players also pirated that 🤣

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    Dude can charge whatever he wants, and you can choose to buy it or not. Super weird and annoying responses here.

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      Oh man, I saw a 2,000 word rant about it on Reddit. Just such whining

      As if the dude would have bothered to do it for free? Likely not.

      Pay, or don’t, and then reevaluate all the things you do for free and if you have room to stand

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      It’s a 1 time $5 fee. People are just mad that they’re broke after buying a 4090. Frustrations should be aimed at Nvidia, not this one dude trying to make a buck

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    Out of this whole thing, I just want to say something about this.

    Some players’ reactions to the paywall have been unfavorable; they think that charging for mods is unethical and goes against the spirit of community modification

    Everyone needs to make bread. Someone asking for money from their mod or map or whatever isn’t against any spirit. It’s just a human being asking to make bread. Now some don’t agree with the price tag and that’s fine.

    But we all need to recognize humans asking for some dough for their hard work is in the spirit of existing. Some folk do it for free just for the feelings and we love ‘em for it. But those asking for some cash are no different.

    This world is already full of dog eat dog. Let’s not hate on someone just trying to get through it. You don’t have to pay the ask, but let’s not go making enemies just cause we don’t agree on that number on the price tag.

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      You don’t go into modding for the money. It’s like making a non profit for the money. That’s why they’re getting backlash, they’re asking money where money’s not supposed to be involved.

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        This is such a shitty attitude 🤣

        God forbid we pay for a fucking cup of coffee because that person should want to work for free. This is the same bullshit as “work hard play hard” and “we are family here”. Might as well start telling modders it’s not about the pay, it’s the people and experience we’re paying you in. Rent what’s that?

        You are all on a lemmy instance after 2 months of non stop bitching about non paid reddit moderators. Make up your damn mind.

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          Yes, again you don’t mod for the money. If you’re looking for that, you can create your own software. Other people in this thread made other good points, and this guy was trying to make a dlss mod subscription based, so fuck that guy. It’s literally better if the mod doesn’t exist in that case. Like I said with my analogy, it’s like trying to create a non-profit for the profit. There’s a million other avenues available to them if they want money. Especially because they are basing their work off of other’s work whom are not getting paid, yet they are?

          Also idk what you’re talking about with the mod stuff but I do think it’s dumb internet janitors do work for free lol, and they do it for power. I don’t think they should be paid either.

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        a mod list for Skyrim is bugfixes, a few UI/UX fixes, a graphics mod or two, and… that is it.

        You’re fucking with us, right? RIGHT?? 😂

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        Wtf are you talking about, Skyrim has dozens of amazing quest mods, and hundreds of quest mods overall.

        It has major gameplay overhauls, it has custom skeletons for animation, it literally has mods that rework the animation system entirely. Modders added a survival system almost a full decade before Bethesda did.

        There are mods that add new continents ffs, what’re you talking about? One of the quest mods was so good it literally got turned into its own game.

        Edit: There are currently 60k mods for Skyrim Special Edition, and about 70k for the original Skyrim. Meanwhile Morrowind has 11k. Wtf are you talking about??

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      For real. You want it for free? Cool go ahead and make the mod yourself. All the tools are there. Wait, you don’t want to spend your time learning to code? You don’t want to spend your time learning modding tools. Our time is our most finite resource and you get mad when someone asks for something in return for theirs? People are just up their own asses.

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    I don’t have a problem with some mods being sold. My issue is when you price it initially for free and THEN decide later to charge money for it. That’s within your rights of course, but don’t expect people to not get pissed off enough to pirate it.

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    Okay is gamescensor written by actual people, or just some generative learning SEO site? Because wow this is a mess of an article.

    The mod replaces the FSR2 upscaling technology included in the game (which is made for AMD graphics cards)

    FSR2 works on every major graphics card

    a more modern upscaler that is compatible with more recent Nvidia cards.

    Wat?

    PureDark, who claimed to make more than $40,000

    Nope some one else extrapolated that data from a patreon page.

    It may be because AMD is “Starfield’s exclusive PC partner” and only supports FSR2 technology at launch that the game only does so.

    Wat again?!?

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    ITT: A gross misunderstanding about how mod and DLSS/RTX licencing works.

    Folks act like modding is a constitutional right and not expressly allowed within TOS. Guys of Bethesda wanted to go full on piss on the community they could shut all of it MPAA style. They choose to let modders use and monitize their assets because it’s less expensive and harmful then attacking everyone e.g Nintendo. https://documents.bethesda.net/en/terms-of-service

    RTX is fully redistributable without modification as long as it’s used on Nvidia hardware.

    https://developer.nvidia.com/downloads/nvidia-rtx-sdks-license-23jan2023pdf#:~:text=Further%2C the DLSS SDK and,DLSS SDK and NGX SDK.

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      They choose to do that because the community caries their games. I wouldn’t own a single beth game if they didn’t have mod support.

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        And? I’m just informing everyone bitching about the legal issues who lack a fundamental understanding of the aforementioned documents.

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      ITT: Bitching “the old ways were better” user clearly doesn’t understand the hipocricy of charging for mods when devs didn’t pay for access themselves.

      What you get to be the only person who profits? Not the companies who made the rest of the fucking game so you can copy and paste some fucking stackoverflow implementation posts?

      Dev needs to get real - enjoy that bite in your ass. Fees for thee but not for me

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    I understand when massive, dlc sized mods are monetized. Not when small ones are.

    For example in minecraft, there was a mod with which you could pregenerate your world before making it. The creator decided to gut it and put all the good features behind his patreon.

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    Imagine putting a mod that the devs of the game it’s for can take down at any moment if they feel like it.

    Imagine being dumb enough to pay for it as well!

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    This isn’t anything new, there’s some community software locked behind paywalls like patreon already. Doesn’t mean we have to like it though.

    Then again, DLSS is an nvidia product, so there’s a legal issue here I think.

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    Lazy game devs should release finished optimized products.

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      How to say you know nothing about game development without saying you know nothing about game (software) development. But want to assert your opinion on it regardless.

      It’s corporate profiteering not lazy devs. The devs work their asses off, these aren’t their decisions to make.

      It’s like blaming the guy finishing the drywall for design problems with the building. Lazy drywallers, ruining a good office tower, it wouldn’t be leaning if they weren’t so lazy.

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        The more people defend the lazy game devs, the more crappy half finished games we will get. The reason people need to seek out upscaling at all for Starfield is because the game isn’t optimized. Lazy design.

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          Or bad resource allocation by the management. If they cut performance development in favour of marketing what a developer can do?

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          I like that you are so unwilling to learn that you associate an explanation of a field you know nothing about as “defending”

          😂😂

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    Just use one of the 6 other DLSS bridge mods kekw.

    Puredarks mods been working since day 1 for me. No issues, even with reshade.

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      PureDark is the modder they’re referring to. The DLSS 2 version of their mod is free, the DLSS 3 version is not.

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        Ah fair enough, for some reason i read a different mod submitters name. Ty for the clarification!

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    … supports DLSS3, a more modern upscaler that is compatible with more recent Nvidia cards.

    Gotta love errors in tech articles.

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      Thats more due to Nvidia making both Frame Generation, Upscaling and the original use, Anti Aliasing (the SS in DLSS is super sampling) the same term.

      Realistically, DLSS should be referred to as an anti aliasing technique(like TAA is) but it was basically colloquially hijacked to turn into an upscaling tech.

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        Nvidia already brands the AA different. DLAA is anti-aliasing without upscaling. DLSS is upscaling, AA, frame-generation, and soon also RT denoising.

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          The problem is DLSS should be the AA (as intended) and not the reverse. DLAA should have stayed DLSS and upscaling should have gotten another name.

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      Well that’s a tad pedantic. Effectively, if not technically, interpolation is upscaling.

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      Thats more due to Nvidia making both Frame Generation, Upscaling and the original use, Anti Aliasing (the SS in DLSS is super sampling) the same term.

      Realistically, DLSS should be referred to as an anti aliasing technique(like TAA is) but it was basically colloquially hijacked to turn into an upscaling tech.