I setup a k8s rpi cluster for this reason, and now I just have 4 overloaded pis 🙃
Could you not just actually build a dedicated PC for that price? Lol
But then he won’t have a k8s rpi cluster
This is the real reason
I mean you could have a smaller cluster
and the power consumption adds up, too.
Pis are only 5W, right? 4 of them should still add up to about as much as a midweight laptop.
This is true. Really annoyed that arm as a hole isn’t being utilized like it could be by really anyone but apple. We could be making arm Linux powerhouses that sip power like a mid tier x86 laptop. The worry by some is that there is now way to do this without having every component solderd on, but dell has already made a new open laptop ram slot standard that has almost the same latency as Apple’s soldered ram.
Arm is the future, and needs to be treated as such more than it is.
I mean, it’s not just Apple, Google is all in on ARM and has been for like a decade and a half.
As for the laptop, look up framework
Yeah but Chromebooks suck, apple is making computers that aren’t just for web browsing
I do also have a dedicated PC as a NAS, the rpi cluster was more for learning. And k8s does provide some cool flexibility
I found that for my use case (jellyfin, gitea, portainer, nextcloud, adguard, …) the pis are still nearly idle but the bottleneck for me was ram. Anyone with similar experience?
RPI: Actually dying
Me: Gitlab time
Sweet baby Jesus. Reminds me of folks running Lemmy on them and wondering why their SD card is always failing 😅
I was running lemmy on it too until a few days ago. I had an SSD for the database though.
oh and the gitlab instance was the straw that broke the camel’s back for the Pi, I ended up going with forgejo instead.Slap a USB NVMe IN there and be done with it.
lol. Sir, I only have 4 cores and 8GB
YOU DONT KNOW ME SON
Does nobody else cobble together home servers with spare parts any more?
Spare parts don’t run on 5-10 watts.
Spare parts can also do a heck of a lot more.
Everything is a trade-off ;-)
I’ve done it a ton in the past, I’ll do it again in the future, but having a essentially plug and play tiny little box that sips juice and still does what I need while being silent… is rather nice
I also want something with a multi-TB hi-speed drive that can handle a dozen different services.
There are external drives the pi can access via USB, 480mbps. Should be fast enough for most LAN uses.
I do this. Random ebay junk is both better and cheaper than a raspberry pi. When I first started doing home server stuff, I had the option between an Athlon XP and a raspberry pi and the Athlon XP delivered better performance (I tried both).
Random ebay junk is both better and cheaper than a raspberry pi
A PC drawing 150 watts will burn through $225+ in electricity a year. The raspberry pi maxes out at like 6 watts.
RPi is the best performance to operating cost you are going to find if you don’t need more juice for high intensity stuff (transcoding, etc)
I cobbled my home server together with twine, a 14u server rack and some used poweredge servers.
Just me lol
Well yeah. I do, out of necessity. I can’t justify buying a pi yet. Someday I hope to.
I bought a couple Raspis before they even came out, and they’re handy for certain applications, but just can’t really stand up to the task for whole home server needs.
If you don’t need the electronic side of the RPi, you might be happier with some old thinclient PC that offices sometimes get rid of for cheap.
Same, but it does a pretty shitty job at everything I throw at it as a result. Might pick up a refurbished m1 Mac mini and put asahi on it. They are relatively cheap these days.
I have one of these things, though a slightly older model.
Beelink Mini S12 Pro Mini PC, 12th Gen Intel-N100 (4C/4T, Up to 3.4GHz), 16GB RAM DDR4 500GB PCle SSD, Mini Desktop Computer 4K@60Hz, Dual Display, WiFi6, BT5.2, USB3.2, LAN, Low Power https://a.co/d/dxxV7yK
I got something similar - it takes a little bit of elbow grease to get Linux running well on it due to the very new chipset (just the wifi/BT drivers though so if you only plan to hardwire, no issues)
Really ridiculously low power draw too.
Yeah,I used the same Beelink for my absolutely legal Plex setup. In my case it was getting drivers for HW video encoding working. Fantastic little machine in the end.
For the insane price, I was shocked at how good it is!
I got a similar fanless PC that has an n305 processor, USB 3.2 and two m.2 slots. I’m trying to figure out how to use it as a nas for at least two 14tb drives + virtualization server, Plex server, arrs, home assistant, etc.
Do you use any drives connected to your beelink? I’m thinking about getting a DAS but they look kind of pricey and I’ve read horror stories about USB drives disconnecting. Seems like USB 3.2 speeds might help with that tho?
I am just a novice by comparison to many around here - aside from the built in 500GB I just have a single 5TB Seagate drive plugged in to USB. It holds all my Plex content and my photo backups. Haven’t had any issues with USB disconnects so far!
Note: I ask this from a place of complete ignorance, having never owned a machine with Apple silicon…this is just for my own curiosity. With that said:
Is it better to put something like Asahi on there than to leave it MacOS? Obviously, if we could have fully-featured and fully-optimized Linux running on the M1, that would be ideal, but I worry that a port like this would be pretty janky for a quite a long time while they reverse engineer everything
You can run most docker applications on the m1 on macOS just fine. I use it for anything a rpi would do and more.
That’s kind of what I figured. I’m willing to bet that (at least for the moment) containerized Linux on M1 MacOS will run much better than integrated Linux on a half-finished port
Hmm all those cores and dat phat bus, interesting way to look at M2 Max.
I have an m1 MacBook Air, and I can say that asahi runs very well these days. It’s definitely not done yet but it’s useable and much much better than macOS for server applications. They have a gpu driver now and everything base-Linux runs flawlessly ime. MacOS is still needed for updating firmware etc, however I would feel completely comfortable using asahi on it as using macOS for such things is a hassle. Docker and podman are just imperfect and not fun to use ime.
Awesome to hear - thanks for the response!
Shit, I just realized my NAS is less powerful than a modern Pi. It’s only a dual core, 1.6GHz Atom with 1.8GB ram.
That’s not even nearly as powerful as a pi 4. At least on paper
what architecture is the CPU?
X86_64 It’s an Acer H340, it originally ran windows home server starting in 2009 but I switched to Debian in 2016. It has run the entire 14 years less about a week of power outages.
This is why I bought myself a server (consumer pc with 40TB) that does all that for only 1000€
I used an old laptop I had with a broken screen. Werks
I used to have my own server for 4 years. It was my personal compute with virtual machine and 10TB. Then I checked my electricity bill, it was so expensive I rebase everything on a single RockPro64 with a raid 1. Hardware budget is not that expensive, but you should definitly calculate how much electricty will weighs on your house budget
I so feel this meme… and just putting it out there that there’s a good chance that pretty soon NUCs are likely to be deeply on sale.
Why do you say that about the NUCs?
Because they were just recently discontinued by Intel and generally speaking discontinued equipment tends to go on sale.
Can anyone tell me of I can run a Plex server and a pi hole on the new raspberry 8gig ?
yes, but I would recommend transcoding everything for direct play before putting it on the server
Or just disable transcoding and play in full quality
Probably? I believe the pihole is pretty low resource. I have mine on a Zero.
Ty
Am I the only person that thinks this meme doesn’t make sense? Hulk’s giving Antman tacos because Antman lost his tacos and would very much appreciate the generous offer.
I’ve got an old PowerEdge tower server sitting in my basement that I picked up for $300 on eBay. Dual 6-core Xeons. It’s running probably 7 Ubuntu VM’s in Hyper-V and not even breaking a sweat. Still need to get the GPU passthrough for Jellyfin configured though.
Eating $70 in power a month.
It might if it were really working hard but at idle it draws around 160 watts.
Edit: I was close. 140 watts.
My power edge R630 was eating way too much power… It’s off and being replaced with a second consumer grade PC to be my second host.
I don’t really have anything that takes enough clocks to justify that pig of a machine.
Wait, we’re supposed to justify getting new servers? You don’t just hoard them like blank notebooks?
Well, I was… But dual 700w power supplies running a whole lot of VMs was a bit too much power draw.
My 5700g proxmox host, switches, access points, and modem use 120 watts according to my UPS. That’s $10/month in my $0.12/kWh geographical area.
How much power does this thing draw?
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Me in the future
I made a TV network on mine using a SSD, VLC, and some recordings, a composite to coax converter, and some DVDs I bought from a thrift store. Works pretty well.
I made a TV network on mine using a SSD, VLC, and some recordings, a composite to coax converter, and some DVDs I bought from a thrift store. Works pretty well.
Why not use a full-size computer for all that stuff?
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I take it you don’t already have a desktop you can use?
I think they mean the power consumption. Single board pis and such sip power. Desktops are usually drawing too much at idle to leave running like a pi. i mean you can if you have cash to do that
To save money, they can go the derelict laptop route.
If they get a low tdp board, maybe like an old laptop without a battery, the power difference isn’t going to be too much. Pi can pull 9W at full tilt. And an old Ultrabook with it’s monitor tuned off or unplugged can probably pull 35-45W at full tilt.
So 45W - 9W = 36W
36w x 24hr x 356 = 315,360Wh
315.36kWh x 0.25 cents = 78.84 a year
But that’s assuming everything is running at full speed. For something running 24/7, we can probably estimate idle state is more common. Laptops can idle about 3-4W a pi4 is also idle around 3-4W.
So 90% at 4W and 10% at 45W for the laptop
And 90% at 4W and 10% at 9W for the pi
Gives us 8.1W average for the laptop
And 4.5W for the pi
Giving us a total difference of 31.536kWh. or 7.88 additional a year.
This is also assuming the laptop has the same computational power as the pi, which isn’t true, so the laptop will end up finishing tasks faster than the pi and use more power for a shorter amount of time.
Intel Speedstepping enters the room
So my old T7400 with 1000w power supply is a bad plan.
For me electricity is included in the rent. Probably why I have a beer fridge next to my couch.
fire up the mining rigs
