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Google SEO has homogenized the internet with vapid marketing content. The internet is one big commercial. The reason Reddit got popular was because communities found and shared good content and created more by talking about it. Now ads are disguised as posts and memes.
The internet is getting as bad as radio.
Oof, that last sentence hits home.
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Google’s ranking algorithms are also to blame. If you publish anything on a new website it will take you eternity to rank up against copycat sites and websites that have nothing to do with the search query, they will outrank your publication just because their websites have had 5+ more years presence than you, have paid their way through the ranker, and their article has only one of the six keywords mentioned in the search query but isn’t relevant to the whole search query, your article will linger on page 10. you will put 5 times more work to move your post to the 9th page than the time it took you to research and write the post.
google has shaped the internet into what American democracy is, those with more money get more exposure
I don’t have an Instagram, a YouTube, Facebook, or Twitter account, and I still hate Google search. It’s nearly useless unless I’m specifically trying to find something to purchase.
It’s not about what you as the searcher has. It’s about where the content you’re searching for is located. If the entity or company you’re searching for has only published within walled gardens such as Instagram or Facebook, then you are less likely to successfully find that information in Google. If they had published a normal website, then Google would be better able to index that information and provide you the result you want.
I feel that, but also, the content I am looking for is indeed typically posted on regular websites without walled gardens, and Google still seems to want to show me a whole page of garbage before the site I’m looking for, whereas on DuckDuckGo(bing), my desired sites are usually the first or second result. Google is better if I’m looking to buy something, or find local restaurants etc, but ddg gives me better results in my academic and flight of fancy searches.
I just hate the google search UI 😊 but of course this is not the only reason that DDGO is my default private and bing my default while working. We are a full on Microsoft software company with all the teams stuff etc. So using bing allows to search not only in the internet, but in the company SharePoints as well.
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It’s even bad for finding something to purchase honestly. I’ll search for a specific part number, and most of the results are other similar but not interchangeable products. No Google I cannot just shove this random other battery pack into my UPS, but thanks anyway.
I tried searching for airtight drawers and all the results were either airtight or drawers. Only one was both and it was a ten thousand dollar museum specimen cabinet.
It’s especially terrible if you care about the fiber content of your clothes. Searching for linen or even 100% linen gets me linen blend, linen-look, linen color. 100% wool gets mostly acrylic wool blends. Wool toe socks gets me either wool socks or toe socks but again, not both.
Plus I can’t block Amazon and Walmart from the results anymore, so that’s a ton of extra junk to filter through manually.
Oh, you’re looking for a part number for something relatively common? No can do. However, I’m sure you’d be interested in pages of Chinese phone numbers that carry 3 digits in a similar order to your search.
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DuckDuckGo is the same. I searched for “ham and cheese recipe” and Yummly is the top result.
My top result is tasteofhome.com.
You can use quotation marks to filter only results that have a certain word or phrase in it, rather than related content.
You would think so wouldn’t you? But Google usually still tries to be “helpful” about everything. “100 linen” does work better, although still not perfect.
That also doesn’t fix the issue with being unable to ignore Amazon and Walmart. On the standard search, the dash to ban a specific term makes it not the first result but it still shows up further down the page. On the dedicated product search it doesn’t seem to do anything at all.
Here’s an example of how well search operators do these days.
I just signed up for the free trial of Kagi, I’ll have to see how it compares.
The only REAL replacement I’m still looking for is YouTube. Sure, Peertube and proxy sites for YouTube exist. But the amount of content I am interested in is by dozens of decimals larger an YouTube than on any other alternative combined.
And, yes, of course, the search engine.
I’m hoping that as the fediverse grows it will start to accrue enough capacity to sustain a strong video hosting platform like peertube.
Social media has a network effect where the more people use it the more attractive it gets, and because the fediverse can interconnect between different formats I see it as inevitable that eventually it will take over, because it can manage a much more comprehensive network than any centralised site.
Once it becomes more mainstream, server capacity should increase until it can handle the world’s video sharing as well.
I’m still skeptical whether the fediverse will get as big as the current social media now. We already had a big problem with the recent CSAM spamming by trolls.
Not to say it’s a bad thing. I think having a contraction of social media is better for our mental health because it fosters a better sense of community. Like when you live in a smallish town vs living in a big city. Each has its own drawbacks. But with the loneliness epidemic we’re experiencing right now, it’s better to have something that we can use to feel like we belong to something.
Maybe it’s not like that for everyone. I’m a person who’s always valued quality over quantity interactions. I kept my social circles small but I kept in touch with everyone. Especially now with the abundance of tools, like Discord. Even after having my own family I still show up at the Discord call with my friends after the kids are all asleep just to check in with my friends.
Did you use reddit 10 years ago or longer? The Fediverse is already significantly more stable and a better user experience in comparison.
Yes the CSAM attack is a problem, but there are already tools to automatically flag potential CSAM, we just need to integrate them. Unfortunately social media is a natural monopoly, and there are corporate entities that currently make up that monopoly, and that is causing a lot of social problems. The only way to combat those problems is to create something that displaces those monopolies.
Like facebook released a report that compared different personal feeds, one that creates an algorithmically generated mix of all the crap that facebook currently shows you and selectively ignores friend updates, versus one that just gives you just your friends’ updates.
They found people stayed on the site longer with the algorithmic feed than the simple friends feed, and they inperpreted that as meaning people like the algorithm better. Of course they ignored the fact that maybe people like seeing the updates they asked for and then getting on with the rest of their day because they are sated.
Facebook doesn’t care about that, they want retention, so they interpret retention as user “desire” to justify pushing this algorithm on them. There’s a whole spiel here about how capitalism operates on addiction but this comment is long enough already.
It’s enough to say that these algorithms contributed to a genocide in Myanmar because facebook established themselves as the de facto internet in that country. They knew the algorithm was exacerbating racial tensions, but also turning down the genocide dial would make them less money, so they kept it turned up.
I think it’s worth creating an alternative where people have control of their own feeds because the algorithms are open source, and it’s worth working hard on. The information ecosystem is maybe one of the most important things we need to fight things like climate change. Like the stakes are more than just our personal comfort.
Odysee seems to be doing relatively well. Probably 20-30% of the YouTubers I watch are also on there.
I legit didn’t know about this service, looks cool, but I don’t fully understand how it works.
I hope alternatives to youtube like Nebula and peertube find their footing, but I can’t help but suspect that youtube has and will continue to find the successful path in this social media era. I’m not a youtuber or anything, so I don’t really know any details about how it works, but the way they seem provide a platform with monetisation and brand building possibilities built in seems pretty effective/pragmatic for a platform that needs to find someway to work within capitalism.
Try Nebula! It’s a bunch of YouTube creators who got together to make their own platform for video content. The price is quite reasonable and the videos are the same you would see on YouTube but often a few days early and with the sponsorship ads removed.
Nebula is excellent! If you have more money, you can try Floatplane too.
I would rather not support Linus.
Just use duck duck go. Its better in all regards.
Its better in all regards.
I wish it was true. My strategy is to use ddg in first try to find something and switch to google when ddg ducks in wrong way. Currently google is better in images and searching for “this particular site” instead of answer on any site
I truly wish this was true. But for work, everything I search on ddg is just not useful
I tried DDG many times for work. Often I don’t find the result I want at all. I try different queries and all, but I only find barely relevant shit. I switch to Google, and immediately the top result is exactly what I want.
Exactly the opposite for me
I like Google products but the search engine really has become shit. I’m not sure there’s anything they can do about it though.
There is plenty they can do. They created this mess with their algorithm. They can undo it by changing it, again.
Google does not objectively score or rank a site based on what you are actually looking for. They rank based on how much time other people spend on the site. How many other sites link back to the site. They rank based on how many words are on the page, regardless of if that actually matters.
This is why when you google a recipe, all the top results are blog posts from soccer moms telling a life story about food. You don’t care about that stuff - you just want the recipe. But that’s what google cares about.
Google can change this.
I don’t think the algorithm is the problem. The problem is that sites started to capitalize on your attention. Everybody wants your sweet little attention so they can earn money from it. Internet also moved into walled gardens of money making machines (like Instagram, YouTube and TikTok).
It doesn’t matter which algorithm is used. Somebody will crack it and abuse it for their own good.
There’s no reversing this.
It doesn’t matter which algorithm is used. Somebody will crack it and abuse it for their own good.
If the algorithm gives a bigger shit about giving the answer people are actually looking for, and doesn’t emphasize length, formatting, and other bullshit… And people crack the algorithm by giving exactly that answer I’m looking for, I’d be ok with that.
But it all starts with the algorithm
That’s easily abused. Search engines before Google were pure keyword search, but those were quickly abused. People just made websites with all types of keywords just to get on top of search results. Google’s PageRank fixed this - temporarily. People were quick to abuse it too.
It doesn’t matter what you try to do. Somebody will figure out how to abuse it.
But to do that, the algorithm has to know the right answer in the first place. Meaning a human has to tell it what’s right and what’s wrong.
Have you seen Google’s generative AI tests? They’re trying to do exactly that and it’s mostly useless.
This is exactly right but assumes the nature of the internet must remain the same. The problem is the content and people wanting your sweet little attention. The internet described in the article - the blogosphere and Usenet and the rest, was an internet created by people for people and existed for its own sake. What google has access to now is 3 billion people all trying to scam the others for money. Its a fundamentally different user base and there’s no way a better algorithm can find content that isn’t there
Just out of curiosity what google products do you use?
Most of the big ones. Gmail, calendar, maps, YouTube, YouTube music, photos, tasks, pixel…
It’s more interesting to say the ones I don’t use tbh: Drive and Chrome.
I avoid Google products as much as possible these days, especially anything launched within the last 2-3 years, because it will soon be abandoned and unsupported. Their search results are worse than they have ever been. The only Google app I actually like is Google Maps.
Maps isn’t doing too hot either.
translation: Google Search is still an important tool, but it is no longer the only way people find information.
there’s been a shift to entertainment-based video feeds like TikTok — which is now being used as a primary search engine by a new generation of internet users.
I hate when journalists use data from Arse Research Institute to boost sensation
But if that last 25 years of Google’s history could be boiled down to a battle against the Google bomb, it is now starting to feel that the search engine is finally losing pace with the hijackers. Or as Marwick put it, “Google has gotten shittier and shittier.”
“To me, it just continues the transformation of the internet into this shitty mall,” Marwick said. “A dead mall that’s just filled with the shady sort of stores you don’t want to go to.”
Worth citing
Dash is one of the web’s earliest bloggers. In 2004, he won a competition Google held to google-bomb itself with the made-up term “nigritude ultramarine.”
DarkBlue.com is not Google
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011225539/http://dashes.com/anil/2004/06/nigritude-ultra.htmlI always wondered if "using X app instead of Google as search engine should be interpreted as sign of generalized computer illiteracy (not being able to distinguish between two different contexts/products) or a product of our own doing (convergence between desktop and mobile, interfaces harder to visually differenciate between apps and its functions).
Either way we have a long way ahead.
I wish. Unfortunately it will probably live on for all eternity like Facebook is somehow living on.
It’s no surprise that Facebook is hanging on, the average nerd might avoid it like the plague but the average person doesn’t care
We had some good variety of search engines back in the day. Alta vista, Hotbot, Infoseek, Yahoo… Now it’s just Google, or slightly worse versions.
I know people say to use DuckDuckGo but I never get as useful results there as on Google. I just have to scroll past a lot more ads on Google to get to the actual links.
The fact you’re saying you’re still getting useful results on Google means you haven’t used Google for the past year to me.
They said as useful as Google. Not that Google gives objectively very useful results. And I agree with them. I use DuckDuckGo every day and pretty much every time I have to add !g to send my query to Google because the DDG results are shit in comparison.
I’m talking about on the desktop btw. With adblocking and script blocking. I accidentally used Google on my phone yesterday and I think I got cancer.
What’s the difference between using !g and going to Google directly?
The results are still tailored to you on Google, based on past usage and tracking history. They aren’t with a bang.
Thanks, nice to know!
This is incorrect.
DDG just just performs a simple redirect to Google with the query, where the latter has access to cookies, past usage (especially if one is logged in to Google), etc.
So you say that there is no difference in googling on Google.com or using DDG with !g?
Yes. The !bangs in DDG are for convenience and not for privacy. The convenience of not opening the intended website, and typing/pasting the query to perform the search.
Same boat here. I set DDG as my default but still end up using !g around half the time.
Seriously. If I want to hope to get any result that is mildly useful, I’m obligated to add a specific site on the query, either wiki or reddit.
There is brave search, which seemed pretty good to me, even though i am using kagi search now. And to be honest, so far kagi seems really solid, and if you go past the fact that you have to pay for it (on most other search engines you are the product) then give it a try, the first 100 searches are free.
I hope it’s true, but honestly I don’t believe sites and opinions that have to do with google from sites like the verge.
Because sites like the verge are in reality rivals to google. For example verge is owned by voxmedia which has an advertising company and a web advertsing platform. They are rivals to google which also is an advertising company. They hate google because they want google’s money lol. I seriously doubt they can be objective especially to google.The point of the article is that whatever is replacing Google is not going to be better. It’s not Google that is broken. The entire web is.
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