• EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
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    The only experience I ever had with that phrase growing up in the US is:

    Iranian nationalists apparently LARPing imminent attacks on the US for decades
    
    Taliban/al-Qaeda conducting attacks on the US (and its allies)
    

    So you base this only from news then?

    Hell, I can’t remember hearing it in any other context than that with the sole exception of your ban history.

    What ban history? You are probably mistaking me for someone else.

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      So you base this only from news then?

      More or less, yes. I’ve never visited Taliban-held areas nor al-Qaeda training camps to ask them myself. I just have to go with the word of journalists that they didn’t set up an entire production just to trick me. Obviously that’s imperfect, but do you know anything about worldwide current events? Did you also get that from the news?

      What ban history? You are probably mistaking me for someone else.

      Yeah fair enough, whoever it was further up the chain that made the assertion you’re defending.

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        More or less, yes. I’ve never visited Taliban-held areas nor al-Qaeda training camps to ask them myself. I just have to go with the word of journalists that they didn’t set up an entire production just to trick me. Obviously that’s imperfect, but do you know anything about worldwide current events? Did you also get that from the news?

        Start by interacting with people outside the western hegemony, WITHOUT the chauvinism and racism! You can also learn more by reading, there are a lot of books about the history that you don’t know anything at all.

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          I do, hence my bothering to talk to you (and others) in this thread.

          Generally speaking, it goes incredibly poorly; they often do mental gymnastics to paint everything I say as problematic, as perfectly exemplified by “I suspect someone defending Russia is from Russia” -> 'Then you are racist."

          Then when I disagree with that accusation I’m accused of “trolling,” “prodding,” “harassment,” etc.

          You can also learn more by reading, there are a lot of books about the history that you don’t know anything at all.

          I sincerely doubt there is any text I could read that would convince me that Russia bombing the shit out of Ukrainian kids is totally fine, whether it’s via my browser or ink on paper.

          I think the logic of “someone defending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has a decent chance of being from Russia” is pretty airtight too.

          In both cases, you’re welcome to try to convince me otherwise or point me to a text you think would convince me otherwise, but obviously it’ll be harder considering you’re starting from a pretty disadvantages position of attacking me first and trying to persuade me second. While we’re educating each other, I can point you to some Psychology books that point out why that’s… unwise, to say the least. The short version is people tend to not trust someone whose first priority is to attack them.

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            I do, hence my bothering to talk to you (and others) in this thread.

            Your assumptions and attitude is what is causing people to be mad at you.

            Generally speaking, it goes incredibly poorly; they often do mental gymnastics to paint everything I say as problematic, as perfectly exemplified by “I suspect someone defending Russia is from Russia” -> 'Then you are racist."

            You are doing the mental gymnastics, it’s been explained to you before and you just generalize everything told to you without doing any introspection.

            I sincerely doubt there is any text I could read that would convince me that Russia bombing the shit out of Ukrainian kids is totally fine, whether it’s via my browser or ink on paper.

            lmfao

            UKRAINE: DONETSK CITIZENS CRIPPLED BY WAR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fsMqYqHnN0

            I think the logic of “someone defending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has a decent chance of being from Russia” is pretty airtight too.

            Again, chauvinistic racism. You know nothing about anything. Instead of actually reading and analyzing what people say, you instead go full reactionary with racist accusations.

            In both cases, you’re welcome to try to convince me otherwise or point me to a text you think would convince me otherwise, but obviously it’ll be harder considering you’re starting from a pretty disadvantages position of attacking me first and trying to persuade me second. While we’re educating each other, I can point you to some Psychology books that point out why that’s… unwise, to say the least. The short version is people tend to not trust someone whose first priority is to attack them.

            What are you fucking talking about. Anyway on the first point though, I recommend Marxism-Leninism Study Guide: Basic Course https://lemmy.ml/post/43309494