• EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
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    16 hours ago

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being Russian or Korean, nor have I ever, nor will I ever say that.

    My implication was targeted at the well-documented phenomenon that people bending over backwards to defend Russia and North Korea… tend to be Russian or North Korean.

    Based on what? You’re doing the mental gymnastics you, yourself are accusing me of. It’s again another projection. How are you this dense to not understand that accusing someone going against your biased, liberal and dehumanizing views to be that of a foreign influence is in fact chauvinistic and racist as fuck??

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      16 hours ago

      Based on what?

      Here’s the result of a web search I did for you:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections

      To be honest I don’t have anywhere near the proof of North Korean stans being from North Korea, simply because:

      • They’re far rarer (even on .ml)

      • Defending North Korea in English on social media is a far less fruitful venture - virtually nobody reading it would be convinced they’re not a tyrannical regime and vote accordingly for a party that would actively help North Korea

      How are you this dense to not understand that accusing someone going against your biased, liberal and dehumanizing views to be that of a foreign influence is in fact chauvinistic and racist as fuck??

      Liberal, arguably. Biased, probably. Dehumanizing?

      I don’t recall saying anything dehumanizing, but you’re welcome to show where I did.

      I really don’t think it’s racist to suspect that someone defending a country is from that country, no. Frankly I think that’s a ridiculous assertion. Would you suspect someone defending the US is probably from the US?

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        16 hours ago

        Here’s the result of a web search I did for you:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections

        A wikipedia article without any specifics, the sources do not go into a specific primary source and are all just vibes. The same sources that have historically been horrible liars concerning the Palestinian genocide. Seriously russiagate has permanently cooked the brains of all liberals including yours.

        To be honest I don’t have anywhere near the proof of North Korean stans being from North Korea, simply because:

        They’re far rarer (even on .ml)
        
        Defending North Korea in English on social media is a far less fruitful venture - virtually nobody reading it would be convinced they’re not a tyrannical regime and vote accordingly for a party that would actively help North Korea
        

        Incredible, you are just convinced that DPRK is this horrible place because you’ll believe any lie your state media tells about them to the point of comedy. Are you one that STILL believes that nobody is allowed to have the same haircut as Kim Jong-Un? OH WAIT or was it that everybody HAS to have the same haircut? Since you lot keep telling both stories lmfao.

        Just a chauvinistic racist, steeped in white supremacy.

        Liberal, arguably. Biased, probably. Dehumanizing?

        I don’t recall saying anything dehumanizing, but you’re welcome to show where I did.

        That’s literally what you did in your ban history you dummy

        I really don’t think it’s racist to suspect that someone defending a country is from that country, no. Frankly I think that’s a ridiculous assertion. Would you suspect someone defending the US is probably from the US?

        What are you even going at? It’s incredibly chauvinistic and racist to call anyone defending a country and its people from dehumanizing, racist and horrible propaganda that is objectively not true.

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          16 hours ago

          Incredible, you are just convinced that DPRK is this horrible place because you’ll believe any lie your state media tells about them to the point of comedy. Are you one that STILL believes that nobody is allowed to have the same haircut as Kim Jong-Un? OH WAIT or was it that everybody HAS to have the same haircut? Since you lot keep telling both stories lmfao.

          I’ve seen maybe a dozen documentaries about the DPRK - most of which are not from the US - but go on lmfao.

          Nice straw-man with the haircut thing though. That was pretty funny. I’m glad we can both laugh at that, even if it’s for completely different reasons.

          That’s literally what you did in your ban history you dummy

          Nope.

          It’s incredibly chauvinistic and racist to call anyone defending a country and its people from dehumanizing, racist and horrible propaganda that is objectively not true

          … what? Can you take another crack at this? It’s a mess.

          Between this and your first paragraph it seems like you mostly think I’m a racist/chauvinist because someone from my country/global hemisphere is and/or was racist previously? Brilliant logic. You’d get along great with the bigots you pretend to despise.

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            15 hours ago

            I’ve seen maybe a dozen documentaries about the DPRK - most of which are not from the US - but go on lmfao.

            Go on, where are these dozen documentaries from then?

            Nice straw-man with the haircut thing though. That was pretty funny. I’m glad we can both laugh at that, even if it’s for completely different reasons.

            Completely different reasons? Elaborate.

            … what? Can you take another crack at this? It’s a mess.

            My bad. What I meant is; It’s incredibly chauvinistic and racist to call anyone an “agent” or “Russian” or “Korean” just because they are defending a country from dehumanizing and racist propaganda that is not remotely true.

            Between this and your first paragraph it seems like you mostly think I’m a racist/chauvinist because someone from my country/global hemisphere is and/or was racist previously? Brilliant logic. You’d get along great with the bigots you pretend to despise.

            What??

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              14 hours ago

              I’ll respond to the second half of the comment that you added when you edited it here:

              My bad. What I meant is; It’s incredibly chauvinistic and racist to call anyone an “agent” or “Russian” or “Korean” just because they are defending a country from dehumanizing and racist propaganda that is not remotely true.

              Saying Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is imperialist isn’t “dehumanizing and racist propaganda.”

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                14 hours ago

                Saying Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is imperialist isn’t “dehumanizing and racist propaganda.”

                Imperialism isn’t just attacking another country, it involves a lot more including enforcement of unequal exchange. But also I gotta say, what is with that response? You are completely making shit up by changing what you said earlier. It wasn’t “Saying Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is imperialist” you dumbass. It was calling people Russians and Koreans derogatorily .

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                  14 hours ago

                  Imperialism isn’t just attacking another country, it involves a lot more including enforcement of unequal exchange.

                  True - and irrelevant to my point here. Best case scenario and I’d said otherwise in that thread from a while back, I’d be wrong - not dehumanizing and racist.

                  Ignoring the part of your comment that violates this community’s Rule 2. Try again.

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              15 hours ago

              Go on, where are these dozen documentaries from then?

              Mostly YouTube and the BBC. I kinda suspect you think any documentary that depicts the DPRK in anything but a positive light is “biased,” though. Is that right? Kind of a No True Documentary stance?

              Completely different reasons? Elaborate.

              Sure. I’m laughing at you for your use and joyous celebration of a straw-man, and you’re laughing at either the notion of someone who says DPRK residents have to have certain haircuts and/or a hypothetical person you assume I am.

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                14 hours ago

                Mostly YouTube and the BBC. I kinda suspect you think any documentary that depicts the DPRK in anything but a positive light is “biased,” though. Is that right? Kind of a No True Documentary stance?

                lmfao BBC? How do you think they reported on the genocide of Palestine? And the UK is also an imperialist fascist state that has been reduced to that of a vassal state for Amerika lol

                So again, you’re still consuming WESTERN propaganda. What a joke. Anyway here’s BBC’s reporting on DPRK overlaid with the funeral of the UK monarch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNBqjKFS1_c

                Sure. I’m laughing at you for your use and joyous celebration of a straw-man, and you’re laughing at either the notion of someone who says DPRK residents have to have certain haircuts and/or a hypothetical person you assume I am.

                The news and information you are getting from are from the same that are making up bullshit as pictured.

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                  14 hours ago

                  lmfao BBC?

                  You’re the one that started with the goal-post of “your state media.”

                  How do you think they reported on the genocide of Palestine?

                  Pretty poorly, from what I’ve heard of them arresting people for merely having pro-Palestine sentiment.

                  So again, you’re still consuming WESTERN propaganda.

                  If news comes out of the West, it’s propaganda, but if it doesn’t, it’s the gospel?

                  The news and information you are getting from are from the same that are making up bullshit as pictured.

                  That’d be a great point if I’d said the BBC was flawless and has never erred. I still trust them more than FOX or MSNBC, as a couple examples.

                  Show me a news organization you trust that has never erred, then. If it’s from the East do I get to call it “EASTERN propaganda?”