• diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.deBanned from community
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    Either way, it’s dumb to say “no poverty = people see socialism”. Socialism is when people own means of production, not when govt does stuff.

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      Your claim was:

      Even if so, it’s pointless if the average worker can’t see the effect

      I’m showing you evidence that 800 million people did see the effect.

      Socialism is when people own means of production, not when govt does stuff.

      It doesn’t matter if the cat is white or black, so long as it catches mice.

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        True or not, that was not China “applying” socialism. That was them doing stuff. They are still functionally equivalent to capitalism. The average person works for someone else who is making orders of magnitude more money than the worker.

        Anyways, it seems my ban speedrun isn’t working out they way I intended, although it may or may not have effect later.

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          You can define your terms however you like. Whatever you want to call the Chinese system, it lifted 800 million people out of extreme poverty in a generation, which is an incredible accomplishment. As the World Bank link says, that accounts for three quarters of all poverty allieviation in the world, in the same time frame. You can criticize other stuff it does but you can’t deny it’s accomplishments, outside of dogma and conspiracy theories.