• Kindness is Punk@lemmy.ca
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    They were terrible but I’d take a C- over the current F just saying. Not voting won’t make them care more about climate change, hearing it in primaries from engaged voting populace is what dictates policy. It’s why boomers had so much sway because they know they’ll vote.

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      When you are grading yourself and give yourself a C- and then talk about how thats good enough to get people off their couch in an election, then go ahead and add ‘misunderstanding how to compete in an election’ to your list of problems.

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        Didn’t say it was good enough. Said it was better, why would moving in the direction I don’t want help, I said both, you seem be saying neither.

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          Because minor concessions are obvious pandering without real benefit. Give incentives to buy EVs, sure, go for it. But if you expand the military and fossil fuel extraction and then launch wars where you’re dropping bombs all over the world it doesn’t really matter how many tax breaks you give to EV buyers.

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            As apposed to dropping even more bombs and not being any incentives, and like I said you don’t stop there, that’s the start, you still protest, you still advocate for direct action. One does not proclude the other

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              Historically, neither party has been a fewer bombs kind of party, and both parties have had their moments of conservation and environmental destruction, and their moments of expanding rights and destroying them.

              I do understand the idea of a plurality of strategies. I just think that people need to understand which strategies actually have effects. Allowing people to believe in fairy tales is a recipe for disempowerment. Much like praying for a cancer cure, voting is one of those things that makes you feel better about yourself without actually achieving anything

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                There are material differences between the parties, pretending their policy is the exact same isn’t enlightenment it’s delusion. People should hold specifically institutional democrats accountable for stifling progress I’m with you there but the only thing not voting ever got us was less time to work with and worse conditions to do it in.

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                  You’re making shit up. Women got the vote without voting for it. Black people got the vote without voting for it. Black people got civil rights while less than 10% of them were voting. The politicians that passed civil rights were in both parties and it wouldn’t have passed without bi-partisan support. Equally, it was both parties that designed, implemented, and sold the war on drugs to incarcerate more black people immediately following the passage of civil rights.

                  You are 100% correct that the Good Cop behaves materially different from the Bad Cop. The Good Cop doesn’t break the law as often, nor as loudly. They don’t act beligerently, they don’t attack you. What the Good Cop does is hangs out with the Bad Cop and appreciated how the Bad Cop makes it easier for the Good Cop to get compliance from the prisoner.

                  Yes, GI Joe and COBRA have different policies, but they’re created by the same author.

                  The Ds and the Rs share the responsibility of managing the USA, and the USA is a EuroCentric white supremacist monocultural genocidal psychotic violent belligerent entirely based on the Papal Doctrine of Discovery (don’t take my word for it, read RBG) and 100% committed to maintaining control over the stolen wealth of millions of trafficked humans, 100% committed to maintaining the system of racial categorization for the purposes of dividing the working class, ad 100% committed that the working class should never organize and overthrow the capitalists.

                  So yes, they do act differently. Because that’s the roles they play in project of managing empire. But whether you vote for one or the other won’t make the country less fascist, less psychotic, less violent, less carceral, less mass murdersome. Voting has never stopped or even slowed down the machine.

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                    This is historically false. While protests and activism created the pressure, the actual mechanisms that granted rights were legislative votes.

                    • The 19th Amendment required a two-thirds vote in Congress and ratification by 36 states.
                    • The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were bills passed by Congress and signed by a President.
                    • During the Civil Rights era low black voter turnout was a direct result of voter suppression (poll taxes, literacy tests, violence). The entire point of the movement was to secure the right to vote so they could participate.
                    • The New Deal was passed through electoral politics
                    • The Affordable Care Act expanded healthcare to millions.

                    Respectfully you are making shit up and being disrespectful to those who fought for this.

                    Conversely, it was voting that actively reversed the machine recently. The overturning of Roe v. Wade happened because a specific political coalition won elections and appointed Supreme Court justices. If voting doesn’t matter, why did the religious right spend 50 years obsessing over it to achieve their goals?

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          21 hours ago

          You’re arguing with a russian propaganda bot, their whole account is bad faith shit.

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        We got public healthcare in Canada through direct political action, respectfully there is room for both strategies.

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      C- is drastically better than the Dems environmental policies and practices. They were absolutely F