Yeah, shit does suck and having financial security is better therapy than therapy.
Success is the best antidepressant. Weight loss does wonders.
That should just be the bare minimum for everyone and whatever other issues can be handled by therapy, but instead we live in a world of constant, easily preventable trauma and the ones who have it the worst have the least access to therapy. Great system!
First, everybody should have financial security - it’s better not to have justifiably pissed off desperate members of society.
Next, everybody should have decent healthcare, physical and mental - society is not stronger having weak / broken members.
Then: people are still going to be depressed. People who have all the financial security, access to all the best therapy, no “real” problems in their lives still get depressed - like: Carrie Fischer suicidally depressed. She’s not an isolated case. Some of it’s genetic (runs in families), some of it’s environmental, some of it’s just mental. Most of it’s based in feelings of hopelessness / helplessness. The AA serenity prayer is very applicable:
…grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference.
Genuinely internally actualizing those three things alleviates a lot of depressive feelings. Not everybody can do it on their own, even with support many people still struggle. It’s likely underreported, but globally 1/100 deaths are ruled as suicides. Among ages 15-29 it is the third leading cause of death.
There’s a few studies that link low self esteem and depression with accurate understanding of the world and oneself. Lookup depressive realism. It’s actually mildly depressing!
Incidentally, using high self esteem may also lead to looking down on others, defensiveness, inability to critically analyze oneself, among other things. That’s just kinda how it goes when you think highly of yourself…
Sounds like a very mild case of “billionaire syndrome”
Woody Allen did a movie “AntZ” which opened with a therapy session where he (an ant) had a breakthrough: he realized he was insignificant. As fantastical movies often do, it followed him through an outrageously improbable rise from insignificance through super-stardom.
I read the Wikipedia page, it seems to be focused on specifically their assessment of themselves and their impact on the world, not the state of the world as a whole.
lemmy will have you thinking everything sucks though. this is one of the most intense doomer spaces i’ve ever seen…
Not even close to as bad as Reddit. Have you opened that recently…? I can’t scroll more than 4 or 5 posts before I have to nope out of there because I can feel the ragebait radiating from my phone.
Ragebait is everywhere, if you choose to take it.
You also have the choice to look past / through it and see non-rage inducing aspects of life both closely related to and entirely different from the ragebait.
That’s not to say that the ragebait is false, just that how you engage with it - or not - is more important to improving outcomes in your life and the lives of those you impact than directly addressing the particular spin the baiters put on their hooks.
I have the opposite reaction. I feel like reddit is easier to curate for good things.
I still look at communities like DIY, personalfinance, Timberborn, etc over there. Some of these are topics where Lemmy doesn’t have much coverage.
*Well, this prompted me to search, and I found a couple of equivalents here. Lower traffic, though.
One feature that Reddit has that Lemmy still hasn’t managed to replicate is that it’s feed will weight your subscribed subs higher but still include non-subscribed posts. On Lemmy, I can only choose between local/subscribed/all, where local/all ignores the comms I’ve subscribed to (they still show up but in their default sort location), and subscribed only shows the comms I’ve subscribed to.
I miss that hybrid sorting… it meant that I could sub to stuff that makes me happy, and still get posts from other places mixed in.
Lemmy is filled with terminally online shut-ins that barely interact with the real world, yet talk like they’ve travelled the world and are an expert in anything.
As someone who’s an active union member; everything sucks. You gotta have your head reeeaaaal deep in that sand not to notice. Or live a really priviliged life.
Said the Internet shut-in terminally online tough guy
“I sure told them.” He said smarmily.
“Don’t they know I’m the expert?” He quietly reflected, repressing his self doubt before posting some other inane and trifling bullshit.
Aw dude
I find it a lot better then reddit, and exponentially better that Facebook or Twitter (refuse to call it stupid ass X).
I mean you still get a lot of the echo chamber opinions and such, but I think that’s more of a reflection of the current state of society and not Lemmy.
Facebook or the status update bar from facebook. When Twitter launched i was like no fucking way anyone uses this.
When I was a tween my family moved from Connecticut to Florida.
For a long time I was really depressed to the point where they thought I had Mononucleosis or I might need antidepressants.
Turns out I was just hot. It’s fucking hot in Florida. I was hot. I just didn’t understand why I felt so shitty, because I had never really experienced oppressive Florida heat and humidity.
Sometimes there are actual reasons and feeling depressed isn’t coming from inside you.
Ain’t that something, When you open your car door and it’s as if you were baking something, except they smell like steamy mildew, but that sweet hot heat blasts you in the face and it makes you think of the terminator movie.
My brain to me: Sounds like you need a drink buddy.
Me: I dunno, liver, what’s your take?
Liver: Fuck it man, take that drink.
This reads like an inner monologue from Disco Elysium.
I mean, it can be both
Ty worse, have you met worser?
you really mean that?
No.
My wife would tell me I’m depressed, and I’d agree about that.
However, she thought I should get meds, and I thought I should only get medicated for depression if the depression was chemical.
If you’re depressed because life sucks, then you should be motivated to fix what sucks. Unfortunately, that’s not how depression works.
Luckily, life started to suck slightly less.
One aspect that I think most don’t talk about enough is functional disorders.
Like way back in the day, depression was seen as a sign of weakness and a character flaw. Then we swung real hard to the opposite end and said that depression is completely outside of your control and is just a physical chemical imbalance. And while it certainly can be influenced by inherent brain chemistry, this is still not a particularly holistic understanding of it.
Many disorders, both physical and mental, can instead be thought of as functional disorders that act more like feedback loops. Think about something like tendonitis, it causes swelling, which causes more rubbing, which causes more tendonitis… Depression amongst many other mental health issues, can function similarly. It saps your motivation which can prevent you from doing stuff or taking action, which makes you more depressed.
Anti-depressants can help you break this loop, but it’s also entirely possible for anti-depressants to just ‘even you out’ enough that you feel no reason to break the loop or make any changes, and then you just end up stuck in the same loop, and just kind of end up numb to everything as a best case scenario.
The research on the long term effectiveness of anti-depressants for relatively mild - mid cases of depression is also still up for debate. A recent Australian public health report was pointing out that most studies measuring the effectiveness sof long term anti-depressant use measure the negative effects from stopping them, but many of these effects are just withdrawal, and once you control for that, they don’t look more effective than therapy, but come with a slew of negative side effects.
In my case, having my manager quit did more for my depression than any pill could do.
Yeah, I wonder about people who are depressed for “reasons” masking the depression with pills - does that make the “reasons” any better? I can see some rare circumstances where the depressive behavior was a major cause of the problem, but I’m guessing that’s really rare among the population who take the pills.
Then we can ask: what would the people who sell the pills want?
If you’re depressed because life sucks, then you should be motivated to fix what sucks. Unfortunately, that’s not how depression works.
Unfortunately, that’s not how life works, either. We are beset on all sides by things that suck AND which we have little-to-no power to influence.
When depression is having a bad day, it says it feels like me.
Getting on the eightfold path has changed my worldview and mood for the better. True story.
Edit to add: But even before that, just going anti-consumerist gave my mood a healthy boost. When I stopped buying shit, I stopped wanting shit. Felt good.
My senior year quote was from Doctor Who Matt Smith era, I think its a Christmas special or something. It goes “Why do you make them happy when they’re going to be sad later?” Rory or River asks, the Doctor replies, "Because they going to be sad later ". I’m probably forgetting the exact wording the episode aired 13 or 14 years ago.
currently testing out of a new depression med bc the last one stopped working. this one doesnt work so onto my 7th attempt. when do i get to stop trying meds and just kms already without being made to feel like i’m doing something wrong
Try shrooms then. If you’re gonna kys, then you have nothing to loose. It fixed my depression and suicidal ideation for like 6 months with one dose. Lots of scientific studies to back it up too.
“I thought i had mono for a year, but i was just bored.” - Wayne
If your mental health can benefit from schadenfreude, remember that the arseholes who are causing everything to really suck that bad are also depressed.
Using sadism as a coping mechanism is not healthy
Neither are fries but I still eat em
Schadenfreude requires someone to suffer for your pleasure. Eating fries generally does not require someone to suffer for you, unless you derive some kind of sick pleasure from knowing the potatoes were picked by someone who probably doesn’t get paid enough to sacrifice their body and the person making the fries probably wants to do something else.
I’m reminded of Dan Docimo’s joke about the psychiatrist.
