(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
For the British: the things shown in the picture are spices. You add them to food to make it have taste.
And, sugar is not a spice.
What about beans?
Beans are the protein.
Nah, main ingredient.
Vegetarians and vegans just hate plants more than they love animals.
It’s the mineral eaters you really need to keep your eye on.
Yeah, they’re very salty.
As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn’t die of sodium poisoning.
Clearly you are making this argument in seriousness and good faith, so excuse me while I spend a couple of nights and more paragraphs than anyone will read to fully articulate my carefully crafted rebuttal.
Regardless of your take on the ethics of meat, this argument is nonsensical from either side.
Mixtures of things have different effects than their component parts.
It’s like saying if the hot chocolate just tastes like the cocoa powder, why don’t I just eat the cocoa powder?
Because the texture and nature of the water give it a property too.
I think they were trying to make an equivalent argument to the questions around the existence of plant-based “meats”. That line of reasoning usually goes “why create a meat-like ‘concoction’ from plants rather than just eating delicious plant products themselves? Why do we need products resembling meat? Just eat a plant-based diet.”
I understand now that these products aren’t for me, and aren’t necessarily for those who are comfortable working directly with plants in the kitchen. They also provide an easy off-ramp from a more meat-heavy diet. Beyond Burgers are akin to vapes for those struggling to eat less meat. They have their place.
Sure we can judge things by the sum of their parts. Like how no matter how well prepared any meal is, no matter how divine it’s mouthfeel, I am unable to take pleasure in the consumption of a food that I know is the result of immense animal suffering. That is what animal products are made of too. They are also made of human suffering from the workers who are all but forced into working in slaughterhouses, an occupation well known for causing ptsd in its workers. I also derive no pleasure in knowing that animal overconsumption is one of the primary drivers of heart disease - the number one killer in most western countries, something which is completely preventable in 99% of people.
Animal products are also made of wanton environmental destruction, as well as being a massive zoonotic disease vector.
So why stop there? Please take your analysis even further.
I’m very specifically not getting into this argument. Everything you just said is completely right.
All I’m saying is this particular argument about taste and flavors is the worst possible one to make because it’s demonstrably illogical.
Heh, sorry about the soapboxing. I kind of lost the plot there. Yea, so it’s like others have said, that’s the joke. It’s making fun of the people who bitch about plant-based foods trying to mimic animal-based ones.
You probably downvoted one of the orbiting cult communities Jet polices and so he banned you from all of them. He bans anyone who downvotes those communities. Though now he does it by a proxy account these days by the looks.
Probably. I have had interactions with them in comments on posts before too. Oh well, anyway.
Banning for a single downvote seems a bit extreme lol
Extreme? He’s fucking nuts. His alts are nuts too, you can see him patting himself on the back in his stupid fucking communities
Double post oops
It’s strange because I’ve only had good interactions with them. They were very helpful and gave me advice regarding some health issues, and even took the time to research some stuff with me
(I didn’t downvote you) It’s just weird and frustrating that people choose a hill like that to die on. It is manifestly untrue that humans are carnivores. It’s just weird (and sorry for being a little heated in my earlier reply)
I remove my own upvote from my comments; it’s my own weird thing 😂
And no worries. I think food is one of those things that is extremely specific to each person. I’m sure most people would hate what I eat every day. I would describe it as “low-GI vegetarian”
Uh, just because they gave you advice doesn’t mean it was good advice. It is not wise to take nutritional or health advice from wannabe influencers.
I take advice that seems like good advice, and makes sense to me. Your advice seems like good advice, but applied selectively
Which advice was that?
I dunno, I just felt like making up a rhyme
So one of my favorite seasonings to add to hamburger, along with other beef and some pork stuff is… Beef Bullion.
Now you may scoff at the idea of this redundancy, but give it a try next time you make hamburger or beef tacos or whatever. if not, you’re missing out.
Now you should buy stock and use it instead of water in most cooking.
Or better yet, save ya bones and end pieces of meat and veg, brown it and use it to make your own. You can do this just before you cook, or whenever and just freeze or can it. If you go with the store stuff, buy stock based off of which one has the highest protein content.
I do that myself on occasion, but I seldom boil much stuff. A lil beef or chicken stock is good in mashed potatoes or in rice, but most of the time , unless I’m making a soup I use powdered bullion. It tastes better. Not even just my opinion. Blind taste tests always have most people prefer the “fake” stuff.
Really? I’d love to see some actual studies on people blind taste testing things made with stock vs. powdered bouillon. Do you have any links you can share?
Meat is too delicious, I need to add a little plant based poison to it each time to avoid meat addiction.
Didn’t some meat-guy literally try to argue vegetables are toxic to humans or some shit
I like plant too. Why discriminate 🤷♂️
This reminds me of a controversy among the carnivore diet community, where someone got smeared as a “vegan” for seasoning his meat, and really liking chili peppers.
Imagine how warped your mind has to be, to find spices and plants controversial.
“But look at these AI generated fat people eating chips, which is made out of potatoes, therefore it’s vegan!” - many of the carnivore diet grifters
The script can very easily be flipped, OP. “If you like plants so much why are you trying to make it imitate meat?”
This is the flip. Meat eaters say this to vegans all the time. That’s the whole joke.
Oh, I learned something new. I hadn’t heard that one yet.
And vegans need to stop calling people who consume meat “meat eaters.” I have no problem with a salad and some veggies BECAUSE I’M AN OMNIVORE. (as are all you vegans because you are human and that’s LITERALLY what we are).
We didn’t become the dominant species on this planet by hunting carrots. We are predators. Get over yourself.
They have multiple points, but a big one is that you can live a happy healthy life without eating animals or animal products, therefore eating those is optional.
and my point is that being nutritionally complete is easier if you consume animal proteins. Vegans are playing on hardmode by choice and think that makes them special. IMHO they are right; “special” enough to warrant their own bus. Don’t anthropomorphize your food. Chickens are IDIOTS who will cannibalize each other without a second thought, Pigs may be “smart” but are clueless (and also will cannibalize each other like chickens), and cattle are absolute MORONS. In fact the only reason we eat the animals that we do is because their ancestors were too mentally vaccuous to avoid humans altogether. (like say, MOST OF THE AFRICAN MEGA FAUNA which evolved with us and so are wise to our BS.)
You’re kind of aggressive, aren’t you? Anyway, I’m not vegan, I just don’t eat animal based stuff.
I don’t see anything factually wrong in your points, except one note
and my point is that being nutritionally complete is easier if you consume animal proteins.
Correct, but if you do your own cooking already then it’s not actually hard to to just sub out one source of protein for another. Throw in some vitamins and you’re good.
For me that’s a very worthwhile trade for reducing my reliance on animal agriculture.
Everything you’re saying basically just boils down to, “I have no idea what it’s actually like to go vegan so I’m just going to make stuff up.” Maybe you should try it, at least for a month, if for no other reason than being able to say you can speak from experience.
Short answer: for the noobs. Most vegans grow to increasingly prefer more plant-forward meals. The humble bean is by far the most underappreciated ingredient out there.
remember folks. if you don’t put any herbs and seasonings on your food… there is a 100% chance you are British, stupid, or more likely both. British food should be renamed “Bland shit that gets served in a dying home” (dying home = those shitty retirement homes where people go to die alone with a meal plan that makes USA public school food look like $100k plate 5 star food cooked by the best chefs in the world)
WOAH OWAH WOAH
Reported for ableism, surely we cant go around accusing eachother of being Bri*ish
🤣
I didn’t know that being British was a disability. my apologies all you poor British blokes…
Did I use Blokes correctly? I’m sadly American abd can only understand American, Queens, Bronx, Pittsburghese, and strangely enough Mole (if you get the redwall reference).
Been making home made seitan the past couple weeks and it’s so good.
This is the way.
Just want to comment here, because some people seem to be trying to spread a stinky narrative: yes virtually all plants contain “toxins”. No, that does not mean they are toxic or poisonous to us. Caffeine is literally a natural pesticide; and yet coffee and teas are well known to be beneficial to our health and longevity, for just one example.
Spices are an easy way to give any meal not only better flavor, but a small punch of phytonutrients that most people are sorely lacking.
Don’t let the crackpot carnivores spread their lies.
Before I took up veganism, someone asked me about my feelings on it once.
And this was pretty much my response. I’m not really that attached to food in general regardless.
My answer wasn’t satisfactory though, because later they complained that I needed expressively enjoy the alternatives we ate.
It’s like asking an atheist if they enjoy Christmas without the Christ stuff — I mean sometimes? Most of it isn’t Christian, you’ve just come to associate them.
Like yes, I still enjoy salt, fat, and sweet smoky flavours even if they’re not from warming body parts of dubious provenance in my kitchen? I’m quite happy to leave that part out, thanks!
[Some kind of body of Christ pun.]
Yeah basically.
I always knew that it was the flavoring I enjoyed, which came from the spices. Not judging anyone that does miss meat or other animal products, but for the most part I’m rather unbothered.
And obviously I believe in the cause, I’m not just doing it because I can.
To be honest meat, even the smell of it, has become very unpleasant to me these days. It all smells putrefied to me.
Gotta add some veggies to your diet.
