Did people before Christianity just evaporate then?
maybe they were “convinced from” a false religion, eh?
Doesn’t matter because that’s the western Orthodox baptist second reformed heaven and you were a heathen western Orthodox baptist first reformed
The odds of gettin the right religion kif any god exist at all) is so fricking low that i may aswell live how i want instead of following a religion;
Heck, i’d like to be religious but every religion seem to be quite shitty, the only ones who basically convinced me are Wiccas, which i may join in the near future
SEE??? PROOF.
CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS
Nazis, Israeli abominations, and christian pedophiles go to heaven… why the fuck would I want to go to heaven and be stuck with them for eternity?
Did you personally go to heaven and verify?
Heaven was invented by Rapists, Pedophiles, fascists, and other wicked creeps in order to control the masses.
So fuck off religious pedo supporter.
If you’re convinced out of your faith, it means you never had a good reason to believe in the first place.
Faith is by definition unreasonable.
Correct because it doesn’t exist.
Imagine a club where you can rape and pillage your entire life, ask for forgiveness on your dying breath and you’re in.
repenting involves hating and turning away from your sin
Imagine a club where everyone is okay with that scenario. Imagine these same people think this is normal.
The one-true-and-perfectly-good has tried to genocide all form of life by drawning them under rain (fishes got very affraid)… but so yes, you won’t get in his club without at least trying to be a bit as him…
As long as you don’t intend to ask for forgiveness in the first place
Right. You have to have genuine remorse. Still dumb though.
When the Christian friend convinces you into religion, but it turns out God hates belief in false gods more than non-belief (you picked the wrong religion).
Turns out it was the Mormons who were right. Yes, they’re the only ones in heaven. Sorry everyone else!
There is only one guy who guessed correct religion after particularly vivid mushroom trip, but he’s still in hell because he started doing correct things for the wrong motivation.
you picked the wrong religion
There is no way that most people didn’t pick the correct religion. Even if all Christians were “correct” enough to get to heaven regardless of denomination, that still leaves 71%+ of the world who aren’t Christians. And that is best case scenario as Christians are the largest religious group by population in the world currently. And even within the Christian community, there are plenty of in-groups and out-groups that consider one another to be cultish and blasphemy. No matter what you are betting, your chances aren’t great and the majority of the world is still “wrong” and will face whatever consequences come with that fact.
Personally, I’m happy to just not believe rather than to force myself to conform to some oppressive dogma, dump my time and money into a church, and live with shame just to hedge my bets for what would still be bad odds anyway.
I’m not sure I’ll ever get over how arrogant and simple-minded Pascal’s Wager is. The whole premise is either Christianity or nothing; it doesn’t account for any other religion. I just find it hilarious.
It always impresses me how Christianity = evangelicalism in the mind of most Lemmynauts. Outside evangelicalism (and even partly within evangelicalism), going to hell or heaven has nothing to do with being theologically correct or not. I mean, even the Catholic church, which is both by far the biggest one and absolutely not one of the most open ones states with an absolute clarity that non-Christians can go to heaven too.
Catholics do not believe that non-Christians go to heaven. Best case scenario, righteous unbelievers go to purgatory. Same with unbaptised babies.
Also, I grew up going to baptist and pentecostal churches. They 1000% do not think my atheist ass is getting into heaven no matter how righteous I am, even though I got baptized for that matter. Unless I repent at the 11th hour and “accept Jesus into my heart as my savior,” anyway. There are certainly plenty denominations that are not all about preaching “hellfire for the unbeliever”, but even plenty of those still believe that is true even if they’re not boasting about it. There are some that allow for people to be saved through ignorance of Jesus (which makes missionary work kind of fucked up when you think about it that way). But even that is not the norm.
Jesus’ sacrifice saving humanity from eternal damnation is a key tenet of nearly all denominations. And most of them also say that you need to actually accept it and turn your life over to him to qualify for the get out of Hell free card.
Source: 37 years of life in the Bible belt as both an active churchgoer and apostate.
Purgatory is a step that leads to heaven, not a final destination. It’s a step that a lot of Catholics will have to take too, according to the catholic church so it’s not something that separates believers and non-believers.
Baptism and Pentecostalism are categories of evangelicalism. So yeah, they believe that. But they’re a minority within Christianity.
Jesus’ sacrifice saving humanity from eternal damnation is a key tenet of nearly all denominations.
Yes.
And most of them also say that you need to actually accept it and turn your life over to him to qualify for the get out of Hell free card.
No. Only in evangelicalism.
Well, consider me brainwashed by evangelicals then. Non-evangelicals really need to step up their PR game.
Yeah, that’s what cults do. I’m very sorry, and happy for you you found a way out. It’s better to be an atheist than jailed in a cult, and I know God will understand.
No. Only in evangelicalism.
False, not only in evangelicalism. The words of Jesus Christ disagree with you. Do you need me to quote the “Narrow Gate” to you? You should be very familiar with it if you’ve read the Bible.
I’m old enough to remember when kids started taking their new flip phones to public school and secretly recording their teachers berating their muslim or atheist students. The recordings stopped when teachers realized any student could be recording any conversation.
I’m also coded enough that bigots test the waters with me to see what I’ll agree with. I don’t exactly trust quiet christians. They’re very polite when they assume you’re also religious and things can go quickly downhill if they find out you’re not.
Sure they do! That’s because they’ve become more moderate over the centuries in their long decline since The Great Mortality. This allows them to continue their parasitic ways in a secular society.
However, they spent many more centuries claiming the exact opposite, because the Bible says that most will burn in Hell. Repeatedly. Throughout.
The “absolute clarity” is in direct opposition to what they falsely claim is The Word of God. It’s absolutely clear that they are a cancer on the Earth.
Wrong. But I had this discussion with evangelicals 1000 hundred times it’s not interesting anymore. I’ll begin by citing theologians like Aquinas (13th century), you’ll answer saying “meh don’t care it’s not in the Bible” or, if you studied theology (but you probably didn’t), citing the one big exception, Augustine (which still wrote that God’s mysterious grace could be greater than what he himself thought). But with that I will have proved that no, it’s not a recent evolution of Christian theology, but something the churches hold still the beginning, with exceptions.
Then I’ll cite Romans 2:12-16, Luke 12:47-48, Matthew 25:31-46 or Acts 10:34-35, and you’ll do mental gymnastics that will grant you a place in the coming Olympics to reconcile this with the idea that only Christians are saved, using texts like John 3:18. And I’ll say, yes, the Bible contradicts itself on this subject like on most others, but my position is better established and coherent with the global message of the Bible, the church history, and the reason, while yours is not. And you’ll be shocked : “what? You don’t believe in biblical inerrancy? You’re not a Christian!” and I’ll answer “okay, bro”, like I do with disrespectful people on the net.
And we will both have lost a lot of time, and you will have push more people to hate Christ while you will feel oh so righteous.
You’re wrong, according to the Bible itself, repeatedly throughout. Anyone who’s read it knows that you’re wrong.
I have over 12 years of daily Bible studies, and don’t care if you took a theology college course(s), or even if you were a Catholic priest, or whatever your education was.
I’ll cite Matthew 25:46, too. It says “eternal punishment” for a reason (and also John 3:18 of course)… and “the righteous” is clearly defined… also, Isaiah 66:24, Matthew 13:50, Mark 9:42, Luke 13:3 and 16:23, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Revelation 21:8, and on and on and on and on, there are many more.
Also, recall the words of Jesus Himself, which disagree with you. The gate is narrow, and few will find it. I won’t even get into original sin here, there’s no need.
Re Aquinas… he’s not relevant to this discussion, I’m not talking medieval philosophers, but the Bible.
Thank you for making up claims about my possible responses, as this clearly shows that you’re not really interested in an actual discussion, and would instead prefer to babble your lazy imagining as if it were applicable. All of your assumptions about me are wrong, your strawman arguments are wrong, and you are wrong.
If you consider this a waste of time, be silent. I quite enjoy it.
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. ~Proverbs 26:11
Okay, bro.
Original sin, brah, take a course on that.
… and Jesus hates liars
Don’t worry, Muslims will be overtaking Christians this decade based on current growth statistics
Not like there are any problematic denominations there either, right?
When your friend convinced you to go to church and get molested and there is no God
Pikachu
when your friend finally convinced you to go outside and you get struck by lightning
Religion makes predators
Can’t do that face if you don’t have a face
Unrelated but please never imply “all {ethnic group} is {conventionally bad thing}”, that’s the weapon of the enemy and we don’t use it.
EDIT: just group, not ethnic
What ethnic group do you think was mentioned…?
You just stereotypically associated religious people (in general) with “molesting” and door to door conversion.
- that wasn’t me
- that’s not even unfair
- religion is not “an ethnic group”
- whoops
- So? Even if you think that, that doesn’t dismiss that it’s the weapon of the enemy.
- An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of humans who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Attributes that ethnicities believe to share include language, culture, common sets of ancestry, traditions, society, religion, history, or social treatment. - The English Wikipedia, a free encyclopedia at en.wikipedia.org
Is your argument that because that definition includes the word religion then they are the same thing? Religion is rarely ethnicity and even less so in the west
Also in this case you really just equating white people to Christianity? The more I think about this, the weirder and grosser it seems.
You could think of it as a set of multiple groups combined, that’s worse. Also, I never mentioned white people or Christianity, you just pulled these associations out of your ass.
Love how this is getting downvoted. Like there isn’t a rich and storied history of Satanic Panic in the West. Or an active community of Epstein-brained conservatives who are doing blood libel on anyone who fails the Paper Bag Test.
It’s a non sequitur is the problem, and seems to buy into the whole christian prosecution complex that’s a huge problem in the US.
Well, nobody can go to heaven because the gates are closed.
Jokes on you, my plan all along was to tempt you away from God to secure a better position in Hell, as is the secret motivation of all atheists. Muahahaha!
It’s like a reward program/pyramid scheme. The more people you recruit , the more they recruit and you end up at the top of your own pyramid of damnation.
Look, is it a pyramid scheme? Sure, maybe. But trying to pick the right religion to get into heaven, and even then there’s no guarantee, that’s like playing the lottery. You’re better off signing up now and getting a better spot in the pyramid.
Sure, blame the atheism and conveniently forget about all the butt stuff.
Poophole loophole
I think if you’re assigned male at birth, you’ve only got the poophole.
Gawds fault then.
Just pull the ole’, “Look! A distraction!” and disappear into the billions-strong crowd stuck in the same boat.
Nah. First thing God does is install little RFID chips into the soul.
