I’m a guy who has been dating a woman for several months. She is self-employed and I swear about 20% of our conversations is her explaining all the things she has to do every day that may prevent her from being able to commit to seeing me. She swears she just got backed up on things and she’ll become more available, but I see her inventory continuing to grow, not shrink. She is also constantly supervising people on a variety of house projects (mutual disinterest in me getting involved there).

So I decided to ask the internet (DuckDuckGo (DDG) specifically): Am I dating a workaholic? What I found surprised me. I imagined I’d find a bunch of stupid little Cosmo-style quizzes, with the understanding that the reader would find out they were dating an workaholic and leave the relationship. Instead what I found was article after article after article with titles like,

  • How to Date a Workaholic: 8 Steps (with Pictures)
  • Dating a Workaholic (13 Tips to Make It Work)
  • 12 Tips to Cope when Dating a Workaholic

The internet is assuming I WANT to date a workaholic.

Contrast that with results to the question Am I dating someone emotionally unavailable? DDG more straightforwardly answer the question (“17 Signs Someone is Emotionally Unavailable”) with a sprinkling of advice for how to cope.

I see workaholism as basically identical to emotional unavailability, but obviously it’s treated differently by society (maybe because it comes with money and home repairs?). So what is going on? Would you date a workaholic?

  • RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world
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    24 days ago

    I see workaholism as basically identical to emotional unavailability

    Pretty sure workaholics don’t see it that way. And that seems like a fairly inevitable conflict point if you’re dating someone who works a lot. Your opinion seems clear, you don’t want to date a workaholic.

    Myself, I would probably have some of the same problems you have. Not sure if I’d want to be with someone who is routinely unavailable. But there it’s a trade off, people need a job, I’m sure I’d tolerate it to a point. Not sure where that breaking point would be specifically. I’ve noticed people who are workaholics usually have a work hard phase then a play hard phase, where they spend a bunch of money and own a bunch of random toys. Even though they’re usually only available like 3 days a month to use them. I’m not as much of a ‘big splurge purchase’ kind of person. So not sure that personality type would do well with me.

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      She doesn’t have any toys, really, just an expensive house she is constantly paying people to maintain. That is definitely a choice, though for her it seems to be necessity. She showed me her tax bill, as if to say, “See why I have to work so hard?” Her “play hard” is hanging out with her grandkids.

      I’m happy with a condo and apartment life and living simply and cheaply so I can enjoy my life. Shit, I’d love for a girlfriend to move in so we could split the rent! The reality is she probably needs the house to justify her workaholism.

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    I am the workaholic in my marriage, it’s tougher on my wife then myself.

    I’m self employed, and am only working to improve our lives. Obviously people have different needs in a relationship but i don’t think it’s a deal breaker.

    I find a solid work ethic and goals to be attractive. Someone who is content to just muddle through life with no real aspirations, beyond going home to watch TV after work or goals that are so far out of reach they won’t be attained is frustrating to me.

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      23 days ago

      I think you’re mixing being ambitious or driven with being a workaholic. If your wife was an actual workaholic, you’d almost never see her.

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        I’m the workaholic, I haven’t seen my wife for more then 5 hours in the last week unfortunately. Start work before she’s up and get home when she’s already in bed.

        I’ve been at home for 6 hours in the last two days and they were spent showering and sleeping while she was asleep already.

        But we make it work

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    23 days ago

    This isn’t a direct answer, but from your other comments, I think it’s useful advice.

    Talk to a therapist about this. If you don’t have one, find one. You sound unhappy in your relationship. Sometimes that’s strictly a relationship problem, but often there’s personal work that needs to be done. Doing that personal work might help you be happy in your current relationship or it might help you leave that relationship and transition to something better.

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      “It is easier to become a good therapist than to find one.” --Daniel Mackler

      I do have some work to do. I got a workbook on avoidant attachment style, which might be where this post is coming from.

      I’ve had nothing but bad experience with therapy. You may have a found a good therapist for what you were looking for, but they actually suck quite a bit in my experience.

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    I think you’re in a unique type of hell here. The thing about small-medium sized business owners is that they can either tired themselves to the bone or not… it’s ultimately a choice, and she would be so much healthier (mental and physical) if she took the choice to release her workload. Any good business needs failsafes; she needs someone under her to manage the hectic stuff. Once you’re past startup phase you can’t allow your business to halt on account of one key worker taking a sick day or being overworked. Your girlfriend is that key staff member in her business, she’s made herself take all the burden. No more!

    Anyway, would I personally date a workaholic? My first response was “Absolutely. I’d enjoy making it my job to help them take the edge off from work and relax again.” However, what you present is soooooooo so so more extreme than my idea of a workaholic. So now I just feel embarrassed. Hope your partner can have a less hectic work life soon (in a positive sense. Begone, monkeys paw!)

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      She’s been off the ground for several years… it is ultimately a choice. I get not wanting to endanger relationships, etc., but she chooses to NOT do things for business reasons (too far to drive, not enough money, too much hassle, etc.), so she could also choose to NOT do things for personal reasons.

      She’s also got a pretty decent pension from her work and from her last marriage; I don´t know the details of her financials, but I’m guessing she has options, especially if she wants to downsize.

      Your scenario of “taking the edge off work” sort of implies you see them regularly, maybe at the end of the day. That would be fine with me, too. She doesn’t hate her work at all, though.

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    I think to me it would depend on what that work was and the person’s attitude towards it. I dated a doctor who complained a lot about how her hospital was making her see too many patients, how the patients were rude to her, and how she had to spend her “free time” at home on paperwork she didn’t have time to do while at work. I was not happy feeling like I was less important to her than a job she didn’t even enjoy. I might have felt otherwise if she absolutely loved her job. (She did see being a doctor as an important duty, and when we talked about this she was hurt that I saw it as a negative because from her point of view it was an example of how she was loyal and dedicated.)

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      What they say: “Here are the reasons I can’t see you today.”
      What we hear: “Here is a long list of things that are all more important to me than you are.”

      I’m just cutting her off now mid-sentence. “Can you make it for 3:30 today? Yes or no? If no, when can you make it?”

      Probably not going to last long at this rate.

      But yeah, definitely within the realm of personal choice, as far as psychology allows.

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    Workaholic is just a tight framing around priorities. Someone who focuses too much on work is ordering their priorities in a certain way. All the excuses in the word don’t change that.

    Every time they spend their time on their job, it’s a decision to not spend that time on something or someone else.

    Maybe that’s critical to their long term survival. Maybe it’s not. Maybe they are chasing success and will reach it. Or not. Maybe they’re doing that because their parents were like that and it’s learned behaviour.

    But it doesn’t matter. People don’t really change that much in the long term. Don’t stick around because you think they will “improve”. This is who she is. If you’re ok with that, set your expectations appropriately. If not, make a hard decision sooner rather than later.

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    23 days ago

    The usual issue I see with people complaining about workaholics is time commitment, not emotional availability.

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    I would never date a workaholic. I value work/life balance too much on the life side for a workaholic to be compatible with me. I also do not care about money outside of being able to afford to keep a roof over my head and food on the table.

    A relationship needs all parties to put forth effort in maintaining it. There can be temporary imbalances that a relationship survives through, but it shouldn’t be the basis for which the relationship is founded.

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    I could maybe understand if they were starting a business - since they can take a lot of time and effort to get off the ground. Of course that comes with the assumption that eventually they can stop spending so much time.

    I’ve started thinking that “workaholism” is just a societally approved method of avoidance. Most self-described workaholics I’ve met are men who seem to dislike their wives and children. Working all the time lets them “provide for the family” while never actually being there for them.

    Edit: I feel like I should point out that sometimes people do actually need to work so much to provide for their family - those aren’t the people I’m talking about.

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      Her business is well established, so that’s not it.

      Yeah, I do wonder about the gender dynamics of this; if people targetted by those search results are mostly women dealing with workaholic men; “breadwinner” is the only role men are mandated to have in a family, so I guess women are more willing to go along with someone who takes it too seriously?

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    I’d be more interested in a more loose relationship than “dating” with someone like that. I’m just not really interested in committing myself to someone whose life doesn’t allow them to prioritize the relationship. I’ve been in situations with people like that though and it’s been fine. It’s not like I don’t know how to live a life without someone.

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    So I decided to ask the internet (DuckDuckGo (DDG) specifically): Am I dating a workaholic?

    Why are you asking a search engine questions like it’s an AI?

    Like you could phrase it as a question:

    How to tell if dating workaholic

    Or keywords:

    Dating workaholic

    Or even get fancy and use boolen operators…

    But this:

    Am I dating a workaholic?

    How the fuck is a search engine going to answer that question? It can’t, it’ll just just throw up random articles

    There’s nothing deeper than that here

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      1. All your different search suggestions return similar results, so that’s not all that’s happening here.

      2. A different TOPIC returned different results.

      Maybe you need to re-evaulate your whole thing regarding this issue. Search engines have gotten much smarter at being dumb in the past 10 years. Like if you are every troubleshooting anything but THE MOST common issue, you are absolutely fucked.

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        Buddy…

        I’m sorry, I didn’t know I had to break it down like this…

        Am I dating a workaholic?

        How will a search engine be able to reply with a yes/no?

        It can’t.

        Like if you are every troubleshooting anything but THE MOST common issue, you are absolutely fucked.

        It’s because of what you’re typing into them…

        Best of luck, hopefully someone else offers up their time to help you, I have a feeling this isn’t going to be the only time, and I’m never even going to see any of your other posts now.

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          Think he wanted quizzes and articles. And reddit posts, for instance - testimony. It makes sense to me, because those 3 things are qualitative and anecdotal and thus provide more of a human interaction feel. What OP ultimately needed was to talk it over with people.

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            Well, since that guy’s blocked me, is there anything wrong with asking a question of a search engine? Two things are:

            1. SEO might optimize for the questions the site answers.
            2. It doesn´t matter how you phrase it, search engines today pull you towards the same results from an average of your keywords. I’ve gotten really frustrated trying to filter search results the way I used to do because all the results are the same no matter what I try.

            I wasn’t particularly looking for testimony–that’s what I’m getting here–more a nuanced description of workaholism because she’s self-employed and that makes things a little hazier than someone who is “forced” to be at the office for 60 hours a week.

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              Nothing wrong with how you worded it. But you could also try adjusting your query to tailor your results. For example if you wanted to get quizzes, etc.