A 29-year-old passenger was arrested after allegedly refusing to sit beside a woman, citing Sharia law, before assaulting a flight attendant on a flight to Düsseldorf.
he refused to sit next to a woman, citing Sharia law, and later assaulted a female flight attendant who intervened.
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Authorities identified the suspect only as a Turkish national living in Germany.
That level of disrespect for the values of a democracy should get you expelled IMO.
This is an extreme level of sexist discrimination, that goes against fundamental values of a modern democracy.
This kind of people is not fit to live in a democracy.
Fining him and maybe even sending him to jail for a few months will not teach such a person anything, but will only radicalize him further against the values of democracy.
“Christian extremists” always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. A real Christian extremist would be giving away everything they owned and responding to all violence with pacifism. I think Christofascism usually fits better.
I hate the “those extremists are not REAL members of my religion” rhetoric. We shouldn’t forget that christianity also tells us to stone gay men to death, that slavery is good if the victims are from other nations, and that women should subject themselves to their husbands. The European slavers of the past were some of the most horrible people in history, and they were very christian too as they followed these rules to a tee. They did break the laws about respecting your fellow man, sure, but the inverse can be said of the christians who are decent people. They adhere the love thy neighbour rules, but break the rules that say that they should stone gay men. This means that the decent christians are much better people, but not necessarily more or less christian than the slavers of the past.
So if you are a christian and you feel bad by this association, I suggest that, instead of defending your relegion, you re-evaluate it.
I agree with the main argument of what you’re saying. I’m sharing that I’d flag these ones as fascist-forward, not religion-to-the-extreme.
At the end of the day, people are people and you’ll get the worst of us rising to the top in any power structure. In the case of Christianity, moving from a Jewish sect to a formal empire-backing religion of its own may be the worst thing that ever happened to it. Slavery, the crusades, the inquisition, imperial colonialism, they’re all up there too.
Stoning gay men? That’s not Jesus-based, although it is definitely supported by some Christian sects even today. But that supports fundamentalist Judaism, and isn’t what Jesus taught (“whoever is without sin, cast the first stone”).
So the problem then comes down to: what do you do when you share an identity with people who proudly do vile things in the name of that identity?
The teachings of Jesus actually are useful in exploring the answer to that question. He wasn’t Christian, he was Jewish. And he never renounced Judaism, even though he denounced the actions of the contemporary leaders of the Jewish faith.
Weird to only make that distinction for Christians, as if it’s the only religion with lofty ideals. An extremist Muslim who’s fervently committed to jihad would be someone who’s really dedicated to self-control, charity, and protecting the vulnerable.
Eh, fascists are a kind of extremist. Every religion has good and bad parts and for some reason when you hear about extremists in the news it’s always people who go hard on the bad parts.
Fascists use religion (along with everything else available) to gain, increase, and maintain power. Fascists will even use socialist rhetoric if it gains them power. Actions matter more than what people are saying.
You can say you’re a socialist or whatever, but if you want to hurt people simply for being different from you, then you’re a fascist.
That level of disrespect for the values of a democracy should get you expelled IMO.
This is an extreme level of sexist discrimination, that goes against fundamental values of a modern democracy.
This kind of people is not fit to live in a democracy.
Fining him and maybe even sending him to jail for a few months will not teach such a person anything, but will only radicalize him further against the values of democracy.
Good — now do all the religious zealots — like Christian or Jewish extremists.
“Christian extremists” always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. A real Christian extremist would be giving away everything they owned and responding to all violence with pacifism. I think Christofascism usually fits better.
I hate the “those extremists are not REAL members of my religion” rhetoric. We shouldn’t forget that christianity also tells us to stone gay men to death, that slavery is good if the victims are from other nations, and that women should subject themselves to their husbands. The European slavers of the past were some of the most horrible people in history, and they were very christian too as they followed these rules to a tee. They did break the laws about respecting your fellow man, sure, but the inverse can be said of the christians who are decent people. They adhere the love thy neighbour rules, but break the rules that say that they should stone gay men. This means that the decent christians are much better people, but not necessarily more or less christian than the slavers of the past.
So if you are a christian and you feel bad by this association, I suggest that, instead of defending your relegion, you re-evaluate it.
I agree with the main argument of what you’re saying. I’m sharing that I’d flag these ones as fascist-forward, not religion-to-the-extreme.
At the end of the day, people are people and you’ll get the worst of us rising to the top in any power structure. In the case of Christianity, moving from a Jewish sect to a formal empire-backing religion of its own may be the worst thing that ever happened to it. Slavery, the crusades, the inquisition, imperial colonialism, they’re all up there too.
Stoning gay men? That’s not Jesus-based, although it is definitely supported by some Christian sects even today. But that supports fundamentalist Judaism, and isn’t what Jesus taught (“whoever is without sin, cast the first stone”).
So the problem then comes down to: what do you do when you share an identity with people who proudly do vile things in the name of that identity?
The teachings of Jesus actually are useful in exploring the answer to that question. He wasn’t Christian, he was Jewish. And he never renounced Judaism, even though he denounced the actions of the contemporary leaders of the Jewish faith.
Weird to only make that distinction for Christians, as if it’s the only religion with lofty ideals. An extremist Muslim who’s fervently committed to jihad would be someone who’s really dedicated to self-control, charity, and protecting the vulnerable.
Eh, fascists are a kind of extremist. Every religion has good and bad parts and for some reason when you hear about extremists in the news it’s always people who go hard on the bad parts.
Supply Side Christofascists.
I wish there were more “extremists” that were like that.
So you don’t disagree with the ideology of fascism, you only disagree with who is being targeted by it.
Fascist were historically noted for their anti-religious stance.
Fascists use religion (along with everything else available) to gain, increase, and maintain power. Fascists will even use socialist rhetoric if it gains them power. Actions matter more than what people are saying.
You can say you’re a socialist or whatever, but if you want to hurt people simply for being different from you, then you’re a fascist.