• Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Everyone deserves to be treated exactly the way they treat others.

    So be racist to racists. Throw homophobes on the street. Exploit the rich. And kill all Nazis.

    And if they can’t handle that, then that is on them. It is the most neutral view you can have of the world.

    • exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.

      A system of fair rules does not always lead to fair outcomes, if the rules don’t accommodate the asymmetry in capacity, motivation, resources, etc.

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        also, you cannot be tolerant to intolerant people. any system of beliefs like that is doomed. this is what is happening now.

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      Blatant flaw in this: I don’t want to murder anyone. I don’t want to rape anyone. I don’t want to be racist to anyone (though I acknowledge I am). And the moment I would do something like that to anyone, I would be a murderer or a rapist, and that’s a shitty thing to be. So no thanks.

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      There’s a line in The Republic that states something to the effect of “You cannot persuade someone who doesn’t want to listen” at that point firing their own venom back at them is justified.

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    I’ll allow you to call me bad if I’m also allowed to drop billionaires, the trillionaire, selected world leaders, and most of the Epstein class in to a woodchipper. It only seems fair.

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      What is more important: considering yourself a good person, or materially benefiting the world?

      I’ll take option 2, thanks. Woodchippers! GET YOUR WOODCHIPPERS HERE!!

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        That is the traditional quote.

        It’s also not what I said.

        The Church has long discovered that once you name someone or something as the Devil, you are justified in doing anything to them.

        In 2026, see also, Antifa.

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        That is the quote that I’ve heard. I wonder if they were trying to make a point by tweaking the quote, although I’m not clear about what that would be

  • The Picard Maneuver@lemmy.worldM
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    I see lots of comments arguing about whether bad things should happen to bad people and missing the point that it’s criticizing the convenient, self-serving rationalization of doing bad things to [out-group enemy] going on.

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    I am a good person and I will do what it takes to protect marginalized people from oppression and erasure. The morale high ground doesn’t matter when they want to kill millions.

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    Been a while since I watched Death Note, but did Light brutally murder people? I thought it was mostly heart attacks, which was the default way for someone to die unless otherwise specified.

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      The elaborate bus jacking was pretty violent. I think he also had some prisoners do things like write messages in their own blood when he was testing the notebook out.

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      Even if he hadn’t caused a variety of deaths in a variety of ways, I think causing a variety of heart attacks still counts as brutally murdering people

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        I’ve never had a heart attack so idk how to gauge if it’s a brutal way to die or not. I’ll assume it’s not the best way to go lol

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          I think funnily enough heart attack was meant as a catch-all kind death for people that was the authors first thought to just move past that hurdle. Heart attacks are definitely not the least harmful way to die, well, it depends on the type of heart attack. Certain aneurysms might be more painless. But overall it’s a bit of a hand wave.

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    Oh for me, the literal nazis, child rapists, and Inmorally rich “leaders” are like dogs with rabies, a disease. There is no changing them. It is imparative that we stop them before they hurt more. If we can put down ol’ yeller, we can kill this evil.

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      literal nazis

      WWII was 80 years ago, are there any literal Nazis alive?

      Or is this one of the ‘I don’t know what literal means and also I’ll decide who is a Nazi and deserves death’ kind of thing?

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            If you don’t know there are real Nazi followers and fascism out there right now, not 80 years ago, but right now, I do not think you know what Nazis are. I also do not think you know what a “rhetorical question” is.

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              I also do not think you know what a “rhetorical question” is.

              Well, let me demonstrate:

              You know what I think better than I do?

              You know, the image in the OP is not an aspirational goal, right?

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                I think you’re ignorant to the reality around you. I think OPs image is a strawman made by a centrist that also does not understand the reality of the situation.

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          The worst kind, right after all of the rest of them (and the Dutch Nazis, with their bike paths and tiki torches).

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          Zionists are ambitious, trying to genocide so hard that people forget about the Nazis.

          Netanyahu doesn’t really have the punchiness of “Hitler”, so they need to work on that part. His gun probably tastes the same, so there’s that.

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        Would argue, but know what you are doing. So just replace the word nazi with fascist and maybe youll understand. If not, you’ll find out the hard way.

  • blindbunny@lemmy.ml
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    I feel this way about cops, land lords and billionaires. Tbf tho if those didn’t exist the world would be a much better place.

    • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      The problem is that landlords are just the players who got the lucky drops, often the children of lords and merchants who lucked into success.

      And once in that position, no one wants to give up their advantage.

      Experimental psychologists have done tests on this, and found that it takes effect even in the short term. Monopoly players who are (selected at random) given extra salary money at Go! and extra turns will play, win, and insist that they won by their own skill and merit. Those advantaged also will indulge more in the table snacks.

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    right, but they have been proven to be demonstrably evil. Or are we now sympathetic to cancer? If they want to be treated like people they should start acting like it. Just because one is a pacifist, does not mean they shouldn’t defend themself

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      Who is “they”? Who are you talking about and how are you certain that’s who OP is talking about?

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    Good and bad are defined both by actions and by their justifications. Not entirely by either alone. Somebody who accidentally does bad continously because they’re incompetent or not putting enough effort in still needs to be stopped. Somebody who accidentally does good can still be dangerous to you.