• limonfiesta@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Am I having a stroke? Or did I just read about a genuinely good political development in the UK?

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      2 months ago

      Seems to me Keir Starmer is hated mostly because he can’t do the impossible.
      Why do you think Andy Burnham is better?

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        2 months ago

        is affirming trans rights impossible?

        is saying Israel is committing a genocide impossible?

        is not massively invade people privacy impossible?

        is not selling out NHS data to Palantir impossible?

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          2 months ago

          Is jumping up and down while waving your arms impossible?

          AFAIK Starmer has done nothing to reduce Trans rights.
          You are making a giant straw man argument, would it make a difference for Starmer to merely say Israel is committing genocide?
          Invading peoples privacy was implemented by the Conservatives.
          While you IMO have a point about Palantir, the goal is to improve management and analysis of health data. It is not about “selling” data.

          You are basically just proving my point, as you fail to point to anything Starmer actually did wrong.
          Starmer is mostly unpopular because everything has gotten worse after Brexit, and Starmer is unable to turn it around quickly.

          • Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            2 months ago

            AFAIK Starmer has done nothing to reduce Trans rights

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e2rj3zj02o

            Would it make a difference for Starmer to merely say Israel is committing genocide?

            Yes it would be a start

            Invading peoples privacy was implemented by the Conservatives

            They might have started it by passing the OSA but it was Labour who first started enforcing it, tried to backdoor iCloud, have decided we need to dox ourselves to use social media, have stated that Google and Apple have 3 months to install government spyware on everyone’s phone, and are probably going to ban VPNs soon. Yes I’m aware the Conservatives probably support all those policies as well but that doesn’t excuse Labour of any blame.

            Starmer is mostly unpopular because everything has gotten worse after Brexit, and Starmer is unable to turn it around quickly

            I don’t expect a quick turnaround, I’d settle for just a bit of deceleration at the moment

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              2 months ago

              You are blaming Starmer for things he had very little influence on.
              The EHRC making an extremely bad recommendation is not the fault of Starmer.
              We were all (normal people) shocked when reading about this recommendation, but I don’t think it’s the fault of Starmer.
              Here it is also unusual to go against advice from a government advisory organization, although I find it extremely confusing that it is not part of any actual government department? It is extremely frustrating to have such incompetent advisory departments, and have politicians follow their advice. We also have such issues here in Denmark sometimes. 🙄
              We have something similar here called “etisk råd” (ethical advice) and I only remember the government once go against their recommendation. which was to ban circumcision entirely. Which politicians denied to follow based on that Denmark made a promise to protect the Jewish minority in Denmark. So I don’t think you can reasonably blame Starmer from following such council, despite it’s obviously moronic. I wonder what kind of circle jerk has been going on in EHRC to come up with that moronic advice?
              Here “Etisk råd” is under the ministry of health. But the 17 members are appointed by parliament and 4 different ministries, and are serving for 3 years.

              I don’t expect a quick turnaround, I’d settle for just a bit of deceleration at the moment

              If you think Burnham can do better, I hope you are right. I just don’t think Starmer is the cause of the problems, he is a victim of them, just as the rest of the UK population.
              What I would agree on is that Starmer is not very inspiring, if Burnham is better on that part, that could have tremendous importance. UK needs someone competent AND inspiring, because hope that things will actually begin to change for the better is an enormous factor too.

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                2 months ago

                I wouldn’t say he had very little influence, but I agree he’s not solely responsible. In the same way that David Cameron wasn’t solely responsible for Brexit, Boris Johnson wasn’t solely responsible for our shit covid response and Donald Trump isn’t solely responsible for everything bad happening in the US right now. They’re still figureheads who deserve all the hate they get.

                And no I don’t think Burnham can do better. Nothing is going to improve so long as a Labour, Conservative or Reform government is in charge. And there will not be another viable left wing alternative until the Labour party fucks off and dies like the Conservatives did to pave the way for Reform.

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                  2 months ago

                  OK that’s pretty dramatic, but I agree UK seriously needs a democracy overhaul. Get rid of FPP voting and the house of lords for starters IMO.
                  Then you can have multiple parties with coalition governments like true democracies.

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                    2 months ago

                    100% agree, fpp just reduces politics to a 2 party race where neither party has to offer anything beyond just not being their opponent

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            2 months ago

            lol you are delusional. sure if you just cover your ears and explain away all things Starmer did wrong, however unjustified, then of course you would think he did nothing wrong.

            you have an agenda to begin with, then are trying your hardest to explain away everything that doesn’t agree with your agenda. you are not open to have your mind changed.