• Rindogang@lemmy.ml
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    19 days ago

    Yeah… people forget that ancient humans survived through cooperation long before states existed and the fights they did have were mostly just over territory and resources. Not some deep evil ‘‘human nature’’

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      18 days ago

      There was cooperation, sure. There was also a lot of killing.

      It’s not just human nature, even chimps kill chimps from other groups who stray into the wrong territory.

    • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      I would make the argument that our species resorting to violent conflict over shareable resources is a pretty damning indictment of human nature.

      Tribalism exists, it’s a scientific fact. You can overcome the biases it imposes through cognitive effort, but at a baseline we are predisposed to hate anyone who we believe “doesn’t belong.” That’s not inherently evil, but it is asshole behavior.

  • ClassIsOver [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    19 days ago

    “Communism doesn’t work because people are inherently corrupt, so it makes sense to choose an alternative that actively selects for it”

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    19 days ago

    And they’re confusing learned societal encouraged behavior as innate despite all evidence to the contrary from anthology.

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    18 days ago

    ‘Humans are naturally greedy and instead of doing anything to try right this wrong, we should just be contempt being awful. Oh, and also ignore all historical evidence of the ways tribes would share resources communally.’

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      If you only saw a bear in a circus, you would think its nature was to ride a unicycle.

      It’s also intellectually dishonest to ignore examples of communal behavior, such as gift economies and communal farrming, as somehow not counting when we’re considering “human nature”. There are exceedingly many examples of selflessness even in this individualist hellhole we built for ourselves.

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      18 days ago

      And that they’ve observed that once groups reach a certain size, it’s inevitable that the group contains at least one asshole.

      It’s like the fable of the scorpion and the frog. It doesn’t mean that it’s impossible to cross the river. It just means that you need a more complex plan than just carrying the scorpion across on your back.

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    19 days ago

    Nah - if I say that to you, I’m talking about you. But not directly as you cant take criticism