cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/45061709
There are at least a dozen people spending at least several hours attacking GrapheneOS across platforms on a daily basis. It’s a very strange situation. How do these people have so much time and dedication to keep making posts across platforms attacking us? It’s relentless.
Every day, dozens of new accounts join our chat rooms to spread the same fabrications about GrapheneOS including via direct messages.
On Hacker News, one of the accounts making personal attacks based on fabrications in most threads about GrapheneOS has been doing it for 8 years.
Y Combinator has a financial stake in numerous surveillance and exploit development companies. Hacker News is a platform they own and the moderators on it have permitted years of vile harassment towards our team which they’d normally remove if others were targeted.
Hacker News mods micromanage it enough to repeatedly ask us not to reuse a bit of text across our comments. Meanwhile, they do nothing about disgusting personal attacks and harassment content consistently being spread in threads about GrapheneOS on their heavily moderated site.
The largest privacy community on Reddit /r/privacy bans any discussion or mentions of GrapheneOS. A bot automatically removes any post mentioning GrapheneOS they’ll very actively ban people who evade their filters. The mods of the subreddit misrepresent this as something we want.
Many privacy subreddits have mods who are hostile towards GrapheneOS. We were banned from posting on /r/Android for multiple years. The mod who banned us said our official project account on Reddit was ban evading because they once unjustifiably banned one of our team members.
On Wikipedia, a company attacking GrapheneOS project made years of edits to the site pushing false narratives about us. They cited articles based on their own press releases. Other content was made paraphrasing Wikipedia which ended up being cited by it. It continues to this day.
Articles about GrapheneOS on most platforms often have comments engaging in baseless personal attacks towards our team, linking to harassment content and making many clearly inaccurate claims about it. We’ve found chat rooms coordinating this including attacks on the X platform.
Privacy projects are more vulnerable to these attacks because the userbase and supporters largely avoid social media and other platforms where it happens. Many people believe what they read on social media if it isn’t countered and it builds echo chambers hostile to GrapheneOS.
Many people think these must be state sponsored attacks. However, our experience is these attacks are primarily orchestrated by companies selling dubious products marketed as private and secure. We did get targeted by state sponsored smear campaigns in France and Spain though.
These “phony companies” could in turn be operated by state actors: as there have been physical product launches in the past, which turned out to be honey pots. Perhaps state actors, can no longer convince privacy enthusiasts (unfortunately including criminals), to fall for their honey pots, and shift efforts to tarnishing reputation instead.
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LineageOS is chill IDK why you think having extreme device security doesn’t matter to people, in many corporate settings it’s worthwhile. Probably undermined by Google anyways, but that can never be admitted in COURT. I run LineageOS on a Pixel with a bunch of shit changed for privacy, used to have GOS, the Pixel was the best option on Swappa! I take a lotta pics 👀. I find the GOS forums a useful resource and I hate everyone they hate so it works out dawg. Yeah, structurally bound to Google and the US chip infrastructure is bad. Get Chinese shit. I just need my FDroid shit to live, that’s what really binds me to Google’s ecosystem.
Don’t forget to mention GrapheneOS gets to keep all their fingers and ears because the feds use their stuff. Think they can’t get into a Google device? I just don’t believe it. Peace indeed
Grapheneos is like voting democrat except the cops won’t be able to get into your phone
I love how strcat never posts any links to these things and just goes on these multi post rants.
I see it as a good thing because he makes a very paranoid android.
I wonder if they spent less time on drama the OS would be available to more hardware models.
That’s not a fair statement to make. As published in their FAQ, developer time is not what’s lacking in the effort to support more devices:
For most [unsupported] devices, the hardware and firmware will prevent providing a reasonably secure device, regardless of the work put into device support.
That is a much better point to make actually, imagine thinking they can just h4x0r2 their way into any phone
I’ve never found this dumb joke appropriate when talking about all but the tiniest projects. How do projects gain & lose support for their development?
This is not a joke. All this drama is what makes them lose support.
Yeah in your head where “civil discourse” is supposed to matter more than security standards. This is an operating system aimed at people who have high security standards. Once we clear this up, we can start talking about Graphene’s fundamental hardware privacy limitations & how far the chain of trust really goes. Responding to people who call you wrong actually improves your standing with those who view things rationally. The loudest voices on the internet are those who have the most time to waste. Like me at work!
It has put put me off from using not for a long while, when he was fighting with calyx OS. The graphenOS community was toxic don’t know ifnit still is.
I don’t really get the “community toxicity” thing when ppl are talking about stuff that can land you in jail. If you think online arguments are stressful, imagine prison! Can’t log off from prison. Besides, arguments online are fun if you change your perspective on them.
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You’re literally talking shit about them right now, and promoting a goddanged youtube channel like I’m going to actually switch my audio track away from music so that a guy can complain in my headphones, or something. I could not give a fuck about >86% of what you just typed if someone put a gun in my mouth. This is how people who wish they could be in court but would get smoked talk. Publishing information about people’s attacks on you is called a response, which is allowed IMO. I’ll permit it! People online aren’t your students hitting each other. Pretending it’s their problem because you made it your problem with them is mindboggling to me. Better listening material for you, while we’re posting You Tubes: Popol Vuh – In den Gärten Pharaos.
The optics of silence in the face of your critics is… what? In other words, I rebuke you demon
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- I don’t need to listen to someone talking about why it’s bad to respond to critics because of the optics. Framing is dumb. Tech youtubers are awful and the good ones get banned. 2. I said I could not give a fuck about what you just said. Having fun and playing online is a priority. Not doing what random people say like WATCH MY YOUTUBES.
isn’t that y they have the drama in the first place? sUpPoRt MoRe DeViCeS. yeah that gonna happen w Moto cuz Moto actually gives a fuck, unlike the rest.
Not at all, the drama comes from stuff like a few months ago when one French reporter interviewed one French police officer who complained about not being able to crack GrapheneOS and they decided to scream they were being persecuted by the French government, and while doing that casually suggesting two other French Android distros were involved in this “government persecution” and they could have backdoored their systems for the government, and then going back to the routine of screaming to the world that they are the ones being slandered by other projects and blah blah blah
They also seem to have no comprehension of Threat Model and constantly call other distros fake/phoney, “dubious” privacy OS. If GrapheneOS was a Linux distro they would be saying Arch is not really secure because they don’t compartmentalize and sandbox every application and blah blah blah, none of the drama comes from GrapheneOS technical aspects, it’s all from their toxic community.
I’m pretty sure that if they saw my four comments here, they would dub me as “dozen people spending at least several hours attacking GrapheneOS across platforms on a daily basis” as well, “orchestrated by companies selling dubious products marketed as private and secure”.
These posts do more to make me not want to use GrapheneOS than any other person or entity. This has got to be a psyop. I refuse to believe any one can possibly be this much of a bitch.
Make your OS and rest on its merits instead of crying about it 🤷♂️
Daniel strcat the top dev is unfortunately super paranoid. He really thinks everyone is out to get him and he goes on long crusades on the net that drag on and on and that’s why he gets banned. People just get tired of it. There’s long videos of all his persecution claims being debunked.
Last year he took a step back when it got too much but he seems to be back in full swing lately. He’s a good developer and technically very strong but he really needs to chill. Even his strongest supporters like Louis Rossman had to drop him.
I think what caused it was his partner swindling him during the time of CopperheadOS but really this is not cool.
Having said that, grapheneos is the strongest on security and privacy by far. It’s just sad to see all the unnecessary drama around it and yes it does put people off.
If he kept his thoughts as private as his operating system, he’d be set. The paranoia might help development of a tool like this but all the drama is a bit off putting, yes.
I’m putting that first sentence in my back pocket lol
Don’t you want someone who is paranoid making a security focused OS?
Even his strongest supporters like Louis Rossman had to drop him.
Citation?
From Louis Rossman himself.
Strcat has some intense paranoia which is exactly what you want in a security focused Android phone os. I’m ok with him ranting about whatever he wants as long as it motivates him to keep making the only android that Israel can’t get into.
