Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?
Trump conspired against the USA.
I agree. I think that he knew that Russia was going to attack Ukraine. (It is weird how trump got involved with Zelensky during that infamous phone call.)
Trump tried to get us (US) out of NATO so bad because then we would be free to use our military power in favor of Russia against Ukraine.
I do not think that Putin would let Trump have that information. Trump would blab it, and Putin knows that he would.
Convincing Trump that America should realign with Russia to take down China (and Europe) a few notches is more likely. That was obvious when the Republican Party changed their platform concerning Russia back in the 2016 election. Putin still was being fed a bunch of BS by his intelligence agencies and thought that his little green men could again take over another small satellite country. If America had not started helping with training Ukrainians to defend their country, that would have been the outcome. Simply refusing to aid Ukraine would have been enough. Even our intelligence thought that Russia was a major military power at the time.
Which time?
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Fact. Not a theory.
in the United States of America you would be innocent until proven guilty. Yet, I believe he is guilty. And, to answer not only your question but also our friends here :
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i search this …2023 Aug. 3, Trump pleaded not guilty to three counts of conspiracy and one count of obstruction, all related to the Jan. 6 insurrection. (many sources easy to find).
Finally, I also believe he should be found guilty in many other such cases.
Conspiracies require more than one actor. Who are the others? Otherwise, he’s just a bloated orange painted Cheeto with objectively tiny hands committing crimes.
His lawyers, some of his staff in the white house and kid rock
Probably Roger Stone too
He was literally indicted (in part) for conspiracy. There are easily findable legal documents that list all the others.
I believe that Russia has dirt on a number of prominent Republicans. Trump is a given, what with his shady Russian financing, his connection to Epstein, the tape mentioned in the Steele dossier. But I think that there were a number of anti-Trumpers who turned on a dime. Lindsey Graham, for example, was very anti Trump for months and then became his biggest cheerleader literally overnight.
I think Russia had planned to damage Hillary in 2016, but never imagined that their man Trump would actually beat her. I think when they realized they had their man in the white house, they went all in, and used every bit of leverage they had to help him gain control of the party.
This really isn’t a conspiracy, it’s pretty much just fact. The Mueller report was damning in showing the trump Russia connection. If we had sane bribery laws and a doj willing to prosecute it’d be a slam dunk. (Our bribery laws practically require an elected official while exercising their elected power to say “I’m doing this because of a sweet bribe”. Nothing less qualifies). Literally half of it was dedicated to Trump Russian connections.
The Senate intelligence report on Russian election interference confirmed the Mueller report, that the Russians were working to get trump into office.
For Trump it’s not so much dirt but he got a lot funding after he was a disgraced business man in the 90s that hasn’t been sourced. I always thought he got it from Russia leading towards his allegiance to them.
Russia hacked RNC and DNC servers and released only the interesting stuff from the Democrats’ servers. Never heard a peep of what they found on the RNC side but you can be certain it was way more shady than the little bit that came out about Democrats.
I think it’s that information plus probably longstanding financial ties to Russian donors that keeps many Republicans under Russian influence.
Basically all the stuff black people and leftists learn about Reagan. I’m not sure if it’s even still a conspiracy theory but his campaign made a deal with Iran to not free the hostages until after Election Day. They funded Nicaraguan contras by allowing cocaine shipments to inner cities (which led directly to the crack epidemic). Iran-Contra is obviously all accepted history but all the context gets treated as conspiracy theories.
Gary Webb, the journalist that exposed the Reagan Admin - Nicaraguan Contra - crack cocaine thing, is one of those “committed suicide w/ multiple shots” assassinations where the official story is so sketchy, you wonder if they were sending a message to other nosy journalists about what they can get away with.
Dude if you haven’t read it, Dark Alliance is about the CIA’s cocaine contras and it’s pretty eye opening.
Uh I haven’t but isn’t that written by Gary Webb?
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Was there a massive behind-the-scenes NWO plan between billionnaires, old aristocracy and top politicians to fuck up the world, reduce population etc? No, the world ran its natural, chaotic course for most of history.
Is there this kind of conspiracy now?
ABSOLUTELY YES.
In 2023 it is not possible to have any influence and not be aware of the climate disaster. Anyone who does have big influence and does not act to mitigate warming and its consequences is doing it willingly and with full conscience. Doubly so if they act to worsen the situation. It’s almost like the elites read some of the crackhead theories and thought “hey, this is actually a decent plan!”
I’d put the cutoff between the “natural” history and emerging NWO around 1995. From whatever little I know the Clinton administration wanted to seriously tackle climate change and use it to reestablish the US as global leader in some regards. In 1992 the first attempt at global climate treaty was sabotaged by big business lobby and it kinda went downhill from there.
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We’re either alone as an intelligent species in this galaxy or the great filter is true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
Even with our current level of technology which has gone from first flight to landing on the moon in just 66 years we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years which is a blink of an eye.
I think life is common but humans are special or we’re fucked.
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We feel alone, but that’s because all other intelligent life is staying away.
Nobody wants to meet meat.
Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.
It was actually Sonic
Lmfao seems reasonable, hopefully he’ll be held accountable
They had all the information on 911 but all in different agencies and different people who didn’t connect the dots.
After blm and j6, I am assuming feds did it.
No big ticket item crime in US gets done with out them playing at least some role.
2012 is the end of the world
I certainly haven’t felt alive since.
Now that you mention it, it went pretty downhill from then. Is this the underworld?
So this is dark, but… my brother died in 2012 and nothing has felt the same since so… slightly different reasoning but I’ve been saying this for years.
i have actually heard a theory that it did end in 2012 but that the infinite life parallel universe thing (forgot what its called but when you just go to a new universe when you die in the current one) was/is true
I don’t believe Lee Harvey Oswald managed to plan the Kennedy assassination all by himself.
It’s really odd to me that after all these years we don’t have any solid proof. It seems so bizarre and unlikely that he did it by himself but also equally bizarre and unlikely that it happened and there is no proof
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Elaborate on the history simulation please. I’ve never heard of that one
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Holy shit. That’s interesting and grim
So I wanted more information on the history simulation too, this is the closest I could find within the limits of my attention span:
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Did we buy much oil from Iraq?
There is a cabal arranging to rebuild the US under fascism. I have no proofcicles or datacakes.
Yeah, it’s called the GOP. The source is anyone with eyes, ears, and a functional brain.
I don’t even think it matters whether or not Epstein killed himself. Because even if he did, there was too much incentive for those in power to build in the conditions to make it easy enough to happen. IRCC, he was on suicide watch. There had to be intentional negligence to allow the suicide to occur and it seems unlikely that no one attempted to tip the scale in favor of allowing it to happen.
I agree! I keep saying the same thing. I think he was allowed to kill himself. They put him on suicide watch as a suggestion to him. That way their hands are washed of him by his own hand.
Even if you ignore the rich and powerful, it still makes sense.
If you were the security officer at a facility that was holding a man who trafficked and molested dozens if not hundreds of children, you would probably strongly consider “accidentally” leaving his gate unlocked or taking away any suicide prevention measures.
Agreed! The broken bone in his neck is fairly common for hanging, especially when the person is older. I believe the real conspiracy is that they let him do it not that they did it to him.
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Every accusation a projection, but fuck that’s dark and specific.
Except the pizza shop is a church.
Why would they go there when they can get delivery?
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At first I thought you meant you are a Q supporter than I realized you’re saying every accusation is an addition of guilt.
It actually was a weather balloon
Context?
The Chinese spy balloon from several weeks ago. I believe this one. Why would China send such a big, obvious thing to “spy”? They’ve got better ways.
I think TalkingCat is referring to the Chinese balloons that were recently spotted floating over the USA and into Canada, I believe. The Chinese government said they were merely weather balloons.
Thanks
Epstein didn’t kill himself.
9/11 wasn’t an inside job, but the American government did cover up their failures to prevent it.
I’ve heard some speculate that Al Qaeda had placed explosives or fuels inside the buildings in advance, suggesting that they had access to them days or weeks in advance. If true, I can absolutely see a campaign to cover up their failure to prevent it.
Half the conspiracies about 9/11 are from people not having the basic understanding that they collapsed the building after the fact as a desperately needed safety precaution.
Like no shit they used demolitions tools capable of taking down steel. You can’t leave it to fall on its own whenever that happens to be.
A cabal runs the world. Every market becomes a monopoly or a cartel in the absence of regulatory forces. There’s no world police, therefore the Rothschilds, Carnegies, Mellons, etc. would have coordinated to divvy up territory and install puppet rulers. They’re not going to waste resources competing when they can cooperate. They stay out of the public eye so they don’t get targeted and don’t have to suffer the burdens of being famous.
The issue with this type of conspiracy is that it seems a little too optimistic. If there was a secret organisation with the power and cunning to control the entire world in secret, then you’d expect they’d do a better job of running the place. Right now, the economy is in shambles, there’s wars just about everywhere, and the planet is on fire. I doubt anyone who can put the world in a condition this bad could keep a secret from literally everyone.
When the economy is in shambles they buy-up assets at a steep discount. Wars are big money-makers too. It looks like things are going great for them.
I’m not denying there are rich assholes who profit from disasters, but there’s no master plan. There’s no group with total control over the world. The vultures are pecking at the same carcass, but they definitely didn’t kill the beast. If they were strong enough to kill it, then why are they fighting each other over the scraps?
The conspiracy is a pipe-dream that there’s someone in control of a world constantly thrown into chaos. It’s a belief that the pilot is in control of the plane and this turbulence is just them having a bit of fun, even as the engines catch on fire. I’d love to be idealistic enough to believe this could be true, but I can feel the heat coming off of the engines and I can hear the pilot yelling at his co-pilot about who gets to fly.
That may be, I’m just dismissing that “assets are cheap” is evidence that there is no cabal. I’m not sure who is fighting over the scraps- Rothschilds and Carnegies? I haven’t heard of that.
I don’t know about “pipe-dream”. There are organizations we’re aware of that literally control economic conditions of the world such as the Federal Reserve. Do you remember voting for anyone on the Fed board? They are appointed by presidents. We vote for a president in America- but we can decide between the rep-party backed candidate or the dem-party backed candidate. If you can’t convince one party to support you there is literally 0 chance to win in a “first-past-the-post” electoral system. I see a system of “checks and balances” but not one that benefits us.
I think that your scenario is more likely (which to me, is that what we’re seeing is just the outcome of deregulated capitalism) but I wouldn’t fall out of my chair to find that strings are being intentionally pulled by the people who control the world to benefit themselves.
