edit Shame on the entire Lemmy World mod team for locking this thread, you are participating in an evil you don’t want to mess with that will consume you. Children are dying as we speak and you have all atrociously failed your duty to ethically moderate and steward a community. You hurt this place.
This is a serious problem for y’all, I know you removed him as a site wide moderator, but it is simply not enough. You are endorsing someone who has a CLEAR pattern of silencing discussion about a particular group of people and if that doesn’t alarm you, you need to wake up and pay attention.
Looking back there is a repeated pattern of removing, silencing and acting derisively towards discussion about Palestine and the Palestinian Genocide from Jordan Lund both from my interactions with him and also from others I have found easily from searching.
Deal with this problem.
See this post
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42491951
…and this post.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630105
Edit shame on the Lemmy World team for ignoring this post or trying to find lazy ways to dismiss it.
This should serve as a warning to all, do not depend on Lemmy World communities, diversify to different servers as there is a serious distortion of reality going on here about what is allowed to be talked about and what is not. The consequences are real and we could not be discussing a more serious subject of censorship than the Palestinian Genocide and the politics around it.
They also hold the opinion that the only valid news sources are corporate and billionaire-owned news sources. They are a danger to the fediverse.
I think Jordan must have linked here, his devoted defenders are here now, with no evidence or intelligence from good faith from them.
The rules clearly state that that comm is for US politics only.
Saying that shit happening in Gaza is US politics because it’s US made weapons is flimsy at best. Jordan has spoken out on many occasions on the subject and probably agrees with you more than you’d care to admit on how things are being handled there.
He’s just upholding the rules of the comm.
As has been pointed out- You have no argument supporting your accusations here. Your links only verify that you did not follow the rules of that comm even after you were told what they were.
And before you go accusing me of bOoTliCkiNg rhetoric, go ahead and check my history and see that I’ve been moderated and banned from that sub several times.
Just follow the rules man. There like, 30 or so other places you could post those links. You’re just trolling the comm at this point repeatedly posting that.
(Disclaimer: I am fully aware that this is a nuanced take and this is lemmy. Therefore by default, I fully expect no one to even try to consider any of this)
Flame away!
The rules clearly state that that comm is for US politics only.
My contention, which I have clearly delineated in my comments links and sources, is that you cannot state such a ridiculous policy and hope to apply it with any consistency, whether it be a problematic inconsistency such as around the Palestinian Genocide or more harmless species of inconsistency where the word “Blog” is enough to automatically bar an article from the community even when the contents of the website are clearly not a “Blog” in the way the rules intend to specify.
Jordan has spoken out on many occasions on the subject and probably agrees with you more than you’d care to admit.
No, Jordan’s beliefs scare the shit out of me, they are set up in gleeful ignorance to turn around and blame Israel and jews for this massive mess we have gotten ourselves into, it is so clear how the story being set up intentionally, unintentionally or some mixture of the two is leading towards really scary anti-semitism as a replacement for more serious conversation about the direct complicity of the US along many different dimensions in the Palestinian Genocide. Jordan’s beliefs lead straight into squeezing your eyes shut, putting your fingers in your ears and saying “na na na I can’t hear you!” when the world tries to get you to reckon with the reality of the colonialism you are participating in, the reality that Israel is very much an echo of the US in some ways. Then after they go away, you open your eyes, see everything is on fire and then point at jews and say “What is happening!!! They LIED to us! They backstabbed us! Our greatness was sabotaged!”.
Jordan repeats that the Palestinian Genocide is awful but that the US didn’t know and cannot be held responsible for what Israel is doing. Not only is it an amateur understanding of geopolitics to think the world works in such neat and clean divisions, it is a dangerous fairy tale to believe in that disguises a more complex reality where we are far more complicit in the suffering around us than we want to admit.
Just follow the rules man.
Rules are not neutral, you cannot dismiss my criticism of them by just telling me to follow them.
There like, 30 or so other places you could post those links. You’re just trolling the comm at this point repeatedly posting that.
Please provide proof I am trolling, I post lots of links about a variety of topics. Only one very narrow category seems to get moderated by Jordan Lund and it worries me, it should worry you too.
The arguments from Lund’s defenders would make John Yoo proud. It’s weaponized feigned obtuseness, which I think is Lund’s M.O. as well.
You’re trolling because you were told the first time not to post those links in that comm and continued doing so.
All the rest is irrelevant. The rules are stated, and it’s been determined that your posts violate those rules. That’s it.
If you don’t like it, just don’t post there. As is usually advised in these situations- make your own comm and post whatever you want. But if you post in others, you are subject to their rules and their interpretation of their rules.
That’s how it is.
You’re free to block the comm, and in your case, i recommend you do as it seems its visiblility is enough to entice you to continue violating their rules.
But at the end of the day, he’s not breaking any rules. They are clearly stated. You’re just looking for trouble.
You have provided no proof I am trolling, please stop accusing me of it.
The rules of the comm are proof. Your screenshots are proof. At this point, you’re just trying to take the piss.
Rules are not neutral, you cannot dismiss my criticism of them because in your perception of things I did not follow the rules if my contention is correct since there is no way for you to be sure the fractured understanding you have of a moderation policy built on a logical fallacy is the same as mine.
The only way to be sure we are operating under consistent logic is to adhere to a moderation policy not built upon a logical fallacy so we know if we both agree on the same starting axioms that we can suss out a logical connection between our two points of view.
This really isn’t even about me being right in my particular political arguments, there is a fundamental philosophical faceplant Jordan Lund is doing here about the basic mechanisms of geopolitics that transcends the specifics of any of my particular arguments.
Unfortunately the consequences are not abstract, we are talking about discussion around a Genocide.
Sometimes called the “either-or” fallacy, a false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides to an issue when there are actually more complexities. Essentially, a false dilemma presents a “black and white” kind of thinking when there are many shades of gray.
The simplest form of a false dilemma would be a question like: “do you want ketchup or mustard on your hot dog?” Why not both? Or neither? Or maybe a salad? We probably encounter these harmless false dilemmas often in everyday life. Sometimes, simplifying the number of choices available can even be a useful way to reach a consensus.
However, false dilemmas can become harmful when they’re used to purposely exclude options in order to distort an argument. False dilemmas can also be used to imply that two contrasting positions are actually contradictory. We’ll see an example of that in our comic below:
^insert “US Politics” and “US Vassal State Politics” in for “ketchup and mustard”
JFC dude… read the rules of the page in the sidebar. You’re trying to sound intellectual, but all you’re doing is just trying to justify trolling.
I’m not arguing this with you. You are in the wrong despite your inability to accept it.
I’m not arguing this with you. You are in the wrong despite your inability to accept it.
Thank you for publicly stating your conscious dereliction of responsibility to engage in good faith here.
hello completely organic thread with completely legitimate users who are definitely not alts
Have you even bothered trying to contact admins before starting this up?
They have contact info that you’re supposed to use for shit like this
DM https://lemmy.world/u/lwreport
At this point what does a private conversation mean to everyone else who cares? I am just another loud annoying voice.
I want a public conversation NOT hosted on Lemmy World where people are publicly held accountable.
Because if you haven’t bothered to follow the internal process for that instance, then you’re just stirring shit, no matter how bad lund is.
Apparently the admins are fine with your post, so I’m fine with it too. Just saying that shit stirring is a pain in the ass and if you want to actually try to get a change made, you don’t start off by ignoring the established avenues of action.
It’s just a bad idea to essentially flip off the very admins that would be the ones to take any action when trying to get them to do so. People have limited patience for fuckery to begin with.
You do you I guess. But being real, this kind of thing is more likely to end up with people blocking you the same way they have lund and then what have you achieved? Nothing.
This still? Give it a rest.
When he actually get removed for breaking rules that the admins have said he needs to stop breaking, sure.
Why dont you give us all a rest by posting your boring and abusive take someplace else. Looks like you are running interference for mod abuse so you should be banned along with Lund.
I think Jordan must have linked here, his devoted defenders are here now, with no evidence or intelligence from good faith from them.
lemmys serious business mmkay?
We are discussing something that relates to Genocide, so yes, this is actually kind of serious even if I don’t really matter and my emotions are utterly frivolous, which obviously I don’t think is the case but even in that event there is still a broader problem here.
Please behave like an adult about this.
If you think Lemmy, a platform with barely any users, targeting one specific user who everyone knows is a dick, is somehow making a difference to the genocide, then best of luck to you.
But if you want maturity, the reality is that this is meaningless and is doing absolutely nothing. If you legitimately cared about genocide as a whole, you’d be boycotting Lemmy because the developers are genocide denialists, both of the Ughyur genocide and the Holodomor.
What the bloody hell do those things have to do with the Palestinian Genocide?
