(That day was February 26, 2026)
The vote was 50 against. 37 in favour.
Names, districts, and email addresses of all MLAs voting ‘yea’ included
(That day was February 26, 2026)
The vote was 50 against. 37 in favour.
Names, districts, and email addresses of all MLAs voting ‘yea’ included
This seems pretty complicated and messy, as it does seem someone is being fined 750k for their speech, which sounds like the bill being revoked is the thing removing free speech rights. Given this article lacks any detail or nuance does anyone have any real specifics?
They’re just unhappy that the law has something to say about their bigotry.
Here’s an explainer with a link to the decision: https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/article/former-bc-school-trustee-ordered-to-pay-750k-in-discrimination-hate-speech-complaint/
What they’re really after is the elimination of tennant’s rights so the wealthy can trample over more people, but that’s just my speculation.
Saying there is two genders isnt free speech, they have to conform their beliefs you mean, and be forced to believe there is a gender like Ze and Zer?
It just seems a bit shariah to me, and I hope Im not fined for saying so.
Sounds a bit Islamaphobic to me
Yeah, of all the things to criticize shariah for (such as its treatment of women and queer people), this guy chose to compare it to the wOkE mInD vIrUs™ because apparently it has so much in common with… checks notes… respecting gender diversity?
He couldn’t pick just one group to hate while remaining ideologically consistent, he had to go full delusional so that he could hate both muslims and queers…
Well the juxtaposition to shariah law is because its punishing someone for something made up, based not in something measurable but in pseudoscience. Its the idea that you can be punished for someone elses beliefs, which are whimsical in nature.
lol poor soul, must be so hard living under the threat of persecution!!
Why is it desirable to be fined that much for something most people don’t even agree on.
How many genders are there, ask anyone off the street and you’ll get a random number. Because as they say its not real, its a construct, and being fined 750k for a construct is ridiculous on its face.
Without the smarmyness convince me that it makes sense.
Convince you of what makes sense? You seem to think Mr Neufeld was fined for saying “there are two genders” but that’s not what he said.
Do you know the statements that made evidence for the trial in the first place, before asking for being convinced of anything?
Edit:
this is a like asking how many colors are there in the rainbow. Most people will name 5 to 7 colors, but the answer is “all visible colors, which is a spectrum and not a set amount; the fact that we usually name the common ones doesn’t mean we there exists 7 colors only”. The reason this question doesn’t have a right answer isn’t that “we can’t agree on it”; everyone who understands gender agrees the question itself is wrong because it starts from bad assumptions.
Sure I’ve read reports from human rights lawyers that make it sound not so cut and dry, and even CBC interviewed someone who outlines as much, and thats the CBC which is generally pretty far left as far as trans issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1w7tAQAb6k
As far as the rainbow analogy, you say theres no good answer to the question, but you think it righteous to punish someone for a wrong answer?
I sympathize with trans people, I just sympathize more with free speech. Without free speech we have something akin to Hovels power to the powerless.
Why do you believe this is what’s happening? What parts of what this guy had as evidence against him that you think should get protected as free speech? Quote something specific that was raised as evidence
I’m pretty sure shariah isn’t forcing anyone to respect trans rights.
BC fined a person in a position of authority for making harmful comments about a vulnerable minority.
If the mayor got fined for saying hateful things about black or indigenous people, would you be crying about “free speech”?
Well it seems as though gender is a construct, forcing people to believe some spiritual and pseudoscientific jargon isn’t the same as shariah?
Everything is a social construct, from the languages we speak to the base-10 numeral systems we consider standard, and the units of measurements we use to describe the universe and everything it contains.
And no, shariah is specifically a theocratic legal system based on the authority of muslim religious scholars called imams to write and enforce laws based on the Quran and the Hadith. It’s not the same thing at all, no matter how many layers of mental gymnastics you pass it through in an effort to contort reality into some semblance of what you want it to be.
Using religion to justify pigeonholing everyone into one of two mutually exclusive categories and discriminating against anyone who doesn’t fit within those norms is far closer to being “spiritual and pseudoscienctific jargon” than simply saying “everyone’s choices for how to identify and present themselves relative to the social construct of gender should be respected, especially by the authorities,” but since that conflicts with your preferred narrative I don’t expect you to actually be able to see things from that broader perspective.
OK how many genders are there, what correct answer should not be a finable offense, answer me that and I’ll relent. Perhaps I’m just unaware of the scientific consensus number, and I’ll admit my ignorance and bigotry.
If its “anything but 2” then obviously that is ridiculous. I appreciate your long winded response, I really hope you educate me.
You’re asking the wrong questions in an attempt to make it sound more ridiculous than it is. It’s not about reaching some scientific consensus of the exact number of genders that exist.
You said it yourself, gender is a social construct. So why limit it to just two and exactly two? Because you want to dictate who and what everyone else can be?
If gender is a social construct, and you want to be entirely objective, then there are zero genders. Gender is just a myth. From a subjective point of view, gender describes how a person identifies, presents, and expresses oneself, in which case there are as many genders as people identify as.
The “scientific consensus” is that there are at least three biological sexes, and that sex is a spectrum in which male and female provide the two polarities, and intersex describes anything in between. Gender, on the other hand, being a social construct, is more in the realm of sociology, and not the place for making concrete scientific assertions that impose extrinsic limitations on individual expression. From the perspective of psychology, an individual’s gender identity should be respected, acknowledged, and affirmed, because this has been shown to have the best outcomes out of all the treatment options.
As far as “finable offense” goes, you’re really missing the point. Average Joe Schmoe at the local dive bar isn’t going to get a ticket for saying there’s only two genders. He’d just be wrong, and people might avoid him, or maybe even argue with him, but he’s not going to get fined over it.
If you’re entrusted as a public servant in a position of authority, with potentially hundreds or even thousands of people whose day-to-day lives depend on your decisions, then you’re responsible for the ways in which your words impact those people’s lives, you should be held to a higher standard, and you have a duty to govern your personal conduct accordingly. Someone in such a position making comments that deliberately exclude a vulnerable minority group and invalidate their personal identities causes harm, and shouldn’t be treated as protected political speech because it’s not done in the capacity of a private citizen but as a representative of the state.
Anything but two you say. Great, let’s make more ambiguous rules based on “your truth”.
I’m fine if someone wants to call themselves a Ze or Zeh, but the ambiguity is silly and should never be codified into law. Let’s not make a mockery of laws people need to follow based on peoples feelings.
What if two people disagreed about what genders exist, one person says 3 and one says 8, is that automatic hate speech for the lesser?
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