No. It’s unreasonable. Tell your friend that I specifically said he’s a twat

It is disturbing when people take this kind of mysticism seriously. I could say a lot about this but it may be best just to refer to the words of Carl Sagan:

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time – when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness…

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

For decades James Randi offered a million dollars for any evidence of supernatural shit that can be tested. Many people tried, but none were able to produce evidence to earn the money.

If ghosts were a very rare occurrence and only 0.00001% of all dead people produced ghosts we would still be completely overrun by ghosts everywhere, they would be mundane in how common they are. And that’s not counting ghost animals, ghost dinosaurs, etc.

The impulse to believe in ghosts can be explained as well. For most of human evolutionary history we had predators (cats, bears, wolves, hyenas, etc). If you heard a noise in the bush and didn’t assume it came from an agent you were more likely to be ambushed than if you assumed it was an agent even when it was just the wind. The survival trait biased us towards assuming agency even when it’s not. When you hear a noise in your home at night your first though isn’t settling foundations, it’s intruder.

Can a person with reasonable beliefs have an irrational one? Certainly.

Can someone reasonably believe ghosts exist? No, it is a unreasonable belief.

He says there’s “convincing “ evidence for its existence.

Big if true. He should send that to you instead of making memes.

The question’s a little weird.

Can a reasonable person genuinely believe in ghosts? Yes, obviously, people do and many of them would be considered generally reasonable. They manage their lives okay, they make good decisions most of the time, they’re not gibbering maniacs, they’re reasonable people.

But: is it reasonable (meaning, grounded in good evidence) to believe in ghosts? I’d say it depends on what you and your friend specifically mean by “ghosts”, but in general no. If ghosts were real, they’d be more observable.

And “Hitchens said so” is pretty weak sauce, so I hope that’s an uncharitable summary of your argument.

Man, the downvote ratio really goes to show how many people vote without reading a post. I imagine a lot of them would agree with you, but they just saw the meme and thought, “That’s stupid.” Which is ironically a vote in your favor.

no, its unreasonable

If ghosts were real, then I can think of a few people throughout history who would have been swarmed by them. Adolf Hitler would have approximately 13 million spirits haunting him by the end. Something like 100,000,000,000 humans have ever lived, and somehow all the ghosts are from culturally relevant time frames? For all the US civil war ghosts people have seen, you’d think there’d be orders of magnitude more native Americans haunting this place. Did the European colonists just make sure to let the Indigenous peoples finish all their business before hunting them to near extinction?

Depending on where you live, your friend might be eligible for using public transportation completely for free with a special id. It is also possible that their job security is going through the roof. One needs to be tested first, though and from what you wrote about them, I’d suggest that you or another person close to them escort them to a clinic. This way they don’t get lost and can get help speaking with the personell when the instructions or other information get too complicated for them.

I think it’s fine if people believe in ghosts and spiritual stuff. My wife believes in ghosts, genuinely and fervently. I don’t really care to battle her on this because regardless of what she believes and what I believe we ultimately end up doing the same thing in the end - nothing. I think it’s a bit childish, but it’s no more or less unreasonable than faith in a god or a higher power and people will fight you over that.

I think the delineating factor is how much belief in ghosts or the supernatural play into your decision making and your worldview.

If a person believes ghosts are real, but never really act on that belief, it’s harmless.

if a person believes ghosts are real and alter their behavior in meaningful ways as a result, it’s maladaptive.

For example, say you hear a creaking noise in the middle of the night that startles you awake. Person A, Person B and Person C each check to ensure there’s no intruder in the house and determine that all the doors and windows are still locked and there are no signs of forced entry.

Person A comes to the conclusion that it was just the sound of the wood joists expanding or contracting as the temperature fluctuates and goes back to bed.

Person B comes to the conclusion that the sound could have only been produced by a ghost and therefore their house must be haunted, and so they call an emergency priest to come exorcise the house with holy water and they stay up all night clutching charms and wards to fend off spirits.

Person C comes to the conclusion that the sound could have only been produced by a ghost, says a quick (10 second) prayer for protection/guidance for the lost spirit and then goes back to sleep.

You can see how Person A and Person C have conflicting views about the origin of the sound, one which relates to scientific explanations for real phenomena and the other that delves into spirituality and faith to explain it. Regardless, they are both able to resume their normal behaviors (sleeping) afterward, while Person B shares the same view of the origin of the sound as person C, but their view is extremely disruptive and illogical. Their belief in ghosts requires them to take extreme measures to feel protected against them, but there is no evidence that anything bad would have happened as a result if they had chosen to do nothing instead. Nor would there have been a guarantee that something bad would not have happened anyway if they did all of the “proper” things to remain safe from ghosts.

Do I believe in ghosts in the literal sense of an actual spirit hanging around in the physical world haunting places and people? No.

Do I think it’s fascinating to see how the idea of “ghosts” are used in a cultural sense usually representing an individual or group’s desires, thoughts, feelings, etc. after they’ve passed on and usually storytelling around respecting their wishes or finishing what they started so they can finally be “at peace”? Yes.

I also find it fascinating in a tragic way how people who’ve gone through extreme grief and loss can cling to the idea of ghosts, particularly of loved ones. Perhaps the pyschie doesn’t want to let go of that person so much that it can manifest as audio-visual hallucinations that feel incredibly real to the individual.

After all, we all perceive the world through our brain: it is the filter for everything.

I’ve experienced some strange stuff personally, but I don’t think I’ve seen an actual ghost. I remember having a dream about a close relative the night they died suddenly and we all found out in the morning. But that could be my memory post-rationalising something.

I’ve seen a milk bottle fly out from the back of the fridge but I swear I remember that the fridge wasn’t rocking unstably and that the milk was definitely at the back of the fridge. But I could have seen incorrectly because who pays attention to the precise location of a milk bottle when opening the fridge.

And I’ve encountered machines that appeared to be haunted. An ex-gf’s iPod classic she kept because it is a time capsule of her music would randomly turn itself on, play 10 seconds of a random song, then turn itself off again.

I can feel how a ghost story would fit all of these and feel like it would make emotional sense to me. Like there’s some deep part of our evolutionary psychology that supports feeling this way. Why?

Now in that sense I believe people genuinely experienced “ghosts” that aren’t actually there but are a part of their perceived reality and I find that fascinating.

Ghosts are real but only jedi masters (like the one in the meme) can see them. Unfortunately, jedi masters are not real.

People who don’t believe in ghosts just assume that people who believe in them think they are like blankets moving all by themselves like they are in cartoons. That is, of course, not the case. It’s much more complicated than that. Atheists sometimes really fall for the dumbest arguments possible

I believe in it, but only because things have occurred to me that cannot be explained by science.

And even those that have occurred to me I doubt some of, but those that happened to me and those with me simultaneously? That I have a harder time explaining.

Just 2 examples I can think of, out of multiple:

With all that said, despite everything that’s happened to me, ironically I’ll be the biggest skeptic you’ll meet when something strange does happen, or when watching those ghost videos or such. I think the grand majority of ghostly sightings are probably just hypnogogic hallucinations. I think the huge majority of online videos and photos are faked, and explain how they can be faked easily (helps that I worked in one of those Halloween houses setting things up).

I don’t think belief in the paranormal is by default irrationality, and I personally cannot state that without being a hypocrite after what has happened to me. I think belief without skepticism is, however, irrational. If anything, my experiences pushed me heavily into the sciences growing, looking for possible explanations for them.

And therefore to me, it is only logical for someone who has not experienced something unexplainable in any possible way to by default doubt the paranormal. That should be the default. Everyone should be a skeptic until it happens to you.

But it’s also left me pondering - how do you, rationally, test for these things? If they are actually uncommon - the true paranormal events without explanation - how would you go about setting up an experiment? Nevermind getting enough samples to test for - most of these things just happen suddenly. A lot of events that are actually unexplainable happen without warning, with no ability to control when it might occur. And that’s before adding in that some of these things might have the possibility of human level intelligence and/or be malicious.

I think something is occurring in regards to the paranormal events. I just don’t think we have the technology yet to figure out what. Sure for now we have names like ghosts and ghouls and so on. But maybe eventually in the future we’ll be able to explain the things even better - particularly the ones without current explanation I’m referring to - and then it’ll just be another thing, much like miasma simply became bacteria and viruses and so on