Thank God for the EU.
If Apple and the Americans had their way, each of those would use a different proprietary connector.
Yes, Americans famously love having dozens of different chargers and cables to manage
The reason we should thank the EU is because of this rule. While I cannot guarantee this rule is responsible, the fact that it’s mandated means it’s significantly more economically viable to use the same connector across all regions (including America), and so this rule is the primary factor in the standardization of charging cables.
I know why we have the EU to thank .
If Apple and the Americans had their way, each of those would use a different proprietary connector.
Americans don’t want proprietary connectors. We’re happy to get USB-C, too.
Ah, I misunderstood. I conflated “Americans” (lawmakers) and “Americans” (everyone else).
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When did anyone say the EU created USB-C? They passed legislature that required the mass adoption of it and are the reason Apple had to switch from that stupid lightning connector (and other companies can’t try to make their own), but I don’t see anyone claiming the EU created it.
They love letting their companies do so.
It doesn’t matter what they love in that regard, because they are incapable of making companies do things that help consumers or the environment
New chargers and cables = New freedom units to measure stuff with
They’ve got a massively institutional love for all things Charging Protocols
I’m going to add Sony to this list.
Oh, there are vanishingly few hardware vendors I hate with a greater burning passion than Sony. Over the span of literal decades, Sony has consistently and systematically found so many ways to piss me off that I will never give them another red cent so long as I live. I will happily pay slightly more money for a slightly inferior version of whatever gadget from somebody else rather than deal with Sony’s bullshit.
100%.
Sony has continuously sought to make money on licensing royalties for proprietary formats whenever they can.
The USB standard was made by Intel and the USB-C port is based on a port designed by Apple…
The EU commision did not decide on USB-C in a vacuum. It looked on already existing stanards and talked to many large electronics manufacturers in order to come to a proposal for USB-C as a universal standard. You are right to point out the role that both Intel and Apple played (Along HP, Microsoft and the USB-IF) in the development of the standard, but you’re missing the forest for the trees, since it was the EU making it a *universal * standard within it’s boarders that means we all use the same standard.
I was responding to the second sentence, not the first.
I recognize that there are many Americans who believe a great deal in the benefits of standards and interoperability.
But on the whole, as a group, you’ve spent almost a century electing politicians who vow to do the opposite.
Which ‘port designed by Apple’? Apple’s Lightning is quite obviously more sturdy than usb-c, being just a puck with contacts, put into a hole with contacts and without flimsy plastic tongues. However, Lightning is more costly to produce, while afaik USB was always made from cheap sheet metal.
Though you might mean Thunderbolt, since afaik usb-c is made to be able to carry Thunderbolt. Not sure if that involved more than electrical concerns, however.
The moving parts are in the device rather than the cable with Lightning. The tongue on USB-C is required to be deep enough that you can’t torque it with the cable during insertion/removal.
It’s not an obvious comparison, but the mechanical engineers where I work seem to have a mild preference for USB-C
The expensive part of both is that you need a microcontroller in the cable
USB-C also has way more pins for data/power
By ‘moving parts’ you mean the springed contacts? Yeah wow, that’s a lot of movement.
USB-C has more pins because it was made later and is required to carry standards like Displayport and Thunderbolt. If Apple made Lightning 2, nothing prevents them from slapping more contacts on it.
USB-C (top) is based on the Cinema Display power connector (bottom) from the early 2000s:
Interesting, but odd that it’s the first I’ve ever heard of this.
No they wouldn’t lol
They literally did until recently.
Apple would still be using different variants of their crappy connectors for everything, none of which were compatible with anything non-Apple, if not for the EU ruling forcing them not to.
If Apple had any intention to switch to USB-C on their own, they would’ve done so with the iPhone 7.
The Apple who were the first to make an all-usb-c laptop?
Apple caught flak for switching iPhones from the 31-pin connector to Lightning, and obviously didn’t want to repeat the experience sooner than necessary.
They also got a cut from any 3rd party lighning cables
And then took 8 years to add it to their phones? And only did so kicking and screaming after being forced to by EU regulations? And whose USB C implementation is notably more finicky and less compatible then virtually every other manufacturers’?
This wouldn’t happen to be the same company that reversed the polarity on headphone jacks just to be a dick would it?
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Cruise is already dead. We need to kill Tesla before it kills more of us. The rest of the actors in the autonomous vehicles space appear to actually be acting in good faith.
I’m still waiting for my EV to charge with USB-C
USB-C can only draw 6.5A of current, and even that has its issues if the user suddenly unplugs. It’d be great for a trickle charge, but the pins are just too dinky to carry kilowatt levels of power, physics gets in the way.
shakes fist at cloud Damn you physics!
USB C +++ for extra $$$
I just bought a more beefy laptop and it has a special charger cable because it’s 170W :(
The Samsung Galaxy?
iPhone. The title is a reference to the opening of Super Metroid.
Yeah, I was trying to be funny. Obviously not succeeding.
Now do yourself a favor and buy a good quality cable thats at least 10ft long and rated for 240W. The feeling of having one cable that can charge any of your devices from any seat on your couch is incredible.
Do you have a suggestion for one, please? (yes I am fully aware I could google it but that won’t give me the nuanced opinion of someone who probably already owns one)
My laptop takes 300w to charge. We aren’t quite there yet with USB-C. It will trickle charge off USB-C though.
Edit: It’s a 16in Lenovo Legion from 2023.
Jesus Christ
Is your laptop just a PC you rest on your lap?
Or this fucker on the left:
Does that have 2 power connectors?
Looks like one for monitor, one for the “PC”
I think your laptop may actually be a Mars rover.
Are you running a toaster oven off your laptop?
Mobile workstation / gaming laptop life 😞
Still need it for electric cars and household appliances
I’ve been trying to do this, but the best I’ve achieved so far is having certain cords using adapters.
Now do HDMI!
think different
Do they? Like the USB C standard is the most fucked up standard I’ve seen.
The standard is a collection of mostly optional features, with the only real requirements being USB 2.0 speeds and 5V1A power delivery.
However, USB-PD, the actual fast charging standard in the USB-C spec is pretty universally implemented at this point across mobile devices. At the very least, it will always fall back to the standard 5V1A if the device is stupid enough not to support anything better.
My tablet doesn’t support it I was so confused. I got a work laptop that I literally only use for teaching but I use it’s charger at home for everything that thing is a BEAST.
It’s frustrating that there isn’t stronger enforcement by the USB-IF about how these standards can or can’t be implemented. The savings of a few pennies for the sake of not including basic fast charging hardware is ridiculous.
The idea that adopting the connector is more important than adopting the standard generates infinitely more confusion than if the connector matched the standard.
Am I the only one who was never bothered by this?
Yes
