• ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
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    My favorite part of MTG turning on her friends is that it is all in response to being told she won’t be endorsed as a Senate candidate by the GOP. If she can’t have her fiefdom then no one can.

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      That’s the thing about authoritarians: they attract authoritarian followers (thought not exclusively). If the authoritarian at the top fails to recognize those of their followers that have the same traits and give them enough of a “fiefdom” to rule, then they betray. It’s one of the things that makes fully authoritarian rule fragile (most long-term successful dictators ensure they give enough power to the right people under them).

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        First Rule of Fascism: You can piss off your citizens, you can piss off your staff, but you absolutely cannot piss off your military leaders. They actually hold the power, and would have no problem just shooting you in the face, if the situation was dire enough.

        Also, friendly reminder than Stalin died a horrible and painful death because he told his guards to not disturb him, and he lied there in a pool of his own piss until most of the day was gone. Extreme punishments for breaches of protocol come with a cost.

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    Dropped a bombshell? More like dropped some water in the ocean. This is obvious to anyone not burying their head in the sand.

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      So freaking tired of these bombshell reports and then once you read it, it’s like no shit. I already knew that.

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    MTG represents the post-Epstein MAGA movement. All the fascist policy, none of the Epstein baggage. She is extremely valuable to the movement pivoting around the pedophilia.

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      It seems to me to be a good thing if MAGA is fracturing? I’d be more concerned if they were unified in hiding behind one scapegoat, to avoid repercussions from the Epstein files

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      Too bad she’s a woman. That won’t respect her enough to follow her. She’s should get her husband to say exactly what she said. Then they’ll listen.

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        I don’t think that’s a bad thing. The fact is, she is still a smarmy lunatic who supports fascism, even if she dislikes Trump personally. The left elevating her as a “reasonable centrist” gives her power and its power she would giddily abuse if given the opportunity.

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      That raises an interesting question: how many MAGA figures are not compromised by the Epstein files? How much support would they have left from oligarchs and foreign MAGA allies?

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    I’ll never like her.

    I will begrudgingly acknowledge that she was likely suckered in the same way so many people were suckered, and is now trying to do the right thing.

    I will continue to quietly suspect that she’s probably an accessory to the cover up in some way and is trying to save her own ass.

    However, the enemy of my enemy and all…

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      I don’t really think she is trying to do the right thing. She was Trumps biggest ally for YEARS while he did some of the worst things, you could think of and she most likely knew about the Epstein stuff way before this and actively covered it up. She doesn’t believe in anything except her own power.

      I think, the reason she is doing this is because she recognized that Trump is a sinking ship and she is trying to take advantage of that for her own gain. Maybey she wants to run for president in the future or at least be the loyal companion of one. If she were to continue defending Trump for everything his admin does, she would sink with him, so she tries to get out.

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      Sometimes, even basically evil people have a line they won’t cross. Deceiving the public and corrupting the rule of law beyond repair, just to protect a cabal of pedophile rapists, seems to be that line, for an alarmingly small number of republicans. I guess she just didn’t think it would come to that. MTG is probably just your basic greedy racist vindictive kind of evil. I can imagine why the sadistic child raping stuff might be a deal breaker for some people.

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        I think MTG is loyal to “her people”. She’s fine when “other people” are hurt, but Epstein and his co-conspirators hurt white, Christian, American girls. We’re seeing more and more people breaking off from MAGA based on their personal principles, like the NRA and other 2nd amendment rights group speaking out against the Pretti shooting.

        Donald has no principles whatsoever, he just wants to “win” and demands absolute loyalty no matter what. It looks like some of his supporters are starting to see the con job, or maybe they already did, but they’re starting to realize that allying with a man who will betray you as soon as you’re no longer useful is a bad strategy.

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        The thing is, the line here wasn’t some moral conflict. From what I understand, she’s mad because the republicans wouldn’t back her senate run. All this was ok with her as long as she continued to have a political career.

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      She’s on a tear because she thought she’d get a top cabinet position, only to discover that Trump along with everyone else in the party thinks she’s a moron.

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      She’s not trying to do the right thing. She was perfectly happy being compliant with the current administration as long as her back was scratched. Now that they’ve thrown her under the bus, she wants to piss in as many teacups as possible!

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      She’s an utterly dispicable woman. That doesn’t mean she’s wrong on this one issue.

      It’s completely fine (and reasonable) to say “I hate this person and everything they stand for but on this one issue we’re in complete agreement”.

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    Someone got their claws into MTG to have her come out as a dark horse candidate aiming to disrupt a JD Vance presidency. She would be the candidate in this scenario. She is being positioned to be the candidate that “saw through the bullshit and is on normal conservatives’ side”.

    It very likely will work.

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      That may be the case. But AOC is on record saying MTG is just acting out of rage due to the fact that Trump personally killed any chance of her becoming a Georgia senator. Apparently that was the straw that broke the camel’s back resulting in the current incarnation of MTG.

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      It may work but it’s not likely to. Marj is/was too much of a whack-job and she’ll have a harder time becoming seemingly “sane” again. I hope you are wrong at any rate.

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    Why would Jeffrey Epstein’s BEST FRIEND who FINGER RAPED CHILDREN try to Protect Jeffrey Epstein?

    -Republicans who Do Their Own Research TM!

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    I appreciate that this is in the “not the onion” community. Woman MGT makes common sense statement! Bombshell news!

    Edit: Accidental sexism. My problem is with MGT, not women.

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    How many more bombshells to bring this scumbag down? I feel like we’re about 149 bombshells in and still nothing is happening

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      I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that nothing is happening. That’s not to say I don’t understand how you could think that. And I’m sorry I don’t mean to single you out. There’s a lot of this sentiment going around.

      TV news and even most of our platforms algorithms are actively hiding the work that’s being done, the results being achieved, and a sense of doom is being injected into the discourse from every conceivable angle.

      Here’s what’s actually happened in the last few weeks. Please copy and paste this list to help chill the doomer bullshit.

      • Multiple deep-red state legislative seats flipped Democratic in special/off-year elections
      • Texas State Senate SD-9 flipped (Trump +17 district)
      • GOP margins collapsing in seats previously considered “safe red”
      • Greg Bovino removed from Border Patrol leadership after Minneapolis backlash
      • ICE ended / wound down the Minneapolis enforcement surge (per DHS statements)
      • Federal courts repeatedly blocking or pausing Trump-aligned immigration actions
      • DOJ forced into written explanations to Congress over Epstein file handling
      • Pam Bondi Judiciary hearing exposed internal contradictions and GOP fractures
      • MAGA figures publicly breaking with Donald Trump over Epstein disclosures
      • House Judiciary and Oversight escalating demands for documents and testimony
      • Hundreds of active lawsuits challenging Trump-aligned executive actions
      • State AGs successfully freezing federal funding cuts through injunctions
      • Courts increasingly intervening before policies take effect rather than after damage
      • GOP forced into defensive posture instead of agenda-setting

      They have 0 momentum right now. The ground is actively crumbling beneath them. The outlook isn’t as bleak as our media sources would want us to believe.

      One more thing to add is that historically the outcomes of these kinds of tension are literally never what anyone predicts. Never the authoritarians, never the people fighting for their rights. What outcomes follow always have everything to do with how hard those continuing to fight fought.

      The reason the news has us believing we’ve made no progress is because we’re winning a class war.

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        Thank you for bringing light into a dark time for many.

        I’m not American but I still want to see the fascists fail, not just because I don’t want anyone to suffer through it, but also because if those fuckers are successful, it could start another wave of increased far-right popularity here, last one was about a decade ago.

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    Sure. Lets all assume MAGA believed it was a “hoax, or democratic lie” before today. Now that it isnt they need to explain why they still support Trump.

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      Full disclosure, this was a response to a deleted comment lol

      Also, does anyone know why Connect for Lemmy is highlighting almost every comment bright purple?

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        You can go to Settings -> Comment customisation -> Highlight new comments to get rid of the purple backdrop. However, it didn’t do this before with the setting enabled, so it seems like a bug to me…

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          Good to know, thanks. It’s super obnoxious considering my theme is a dark red! Definitely seems like a bug, I feel like it would follow your “material you” theme more if it wasn’t

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    One thing I like about her is that she became super outspoken about the fact that Israel basically has congress occupied. Most people in congress have an aipac handler they have to run everything by. Epstein and Ghisline were Mossad so I respect her honesty on this one issue.

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      Israel has single-handedly destroyed most of the credibility of american liberalism. Gotta hand it to the Israeli government for fucking being so gross and evil that they’ve helped tank both US political parties.

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    Wait, the orange child rapist doesn’t want the files of -just some of- those child rapes to be released? No way. Say it ain’t so!!