Kinda a thought that pops into my head from time to time about if people that lived well before writing wanted to leave an eternal legacy and at best we see their remains dressed in ornaments.

It’s interesting to think that someone that lived 50k years ago paved a path for me in the sense that they probably exploded lands weren’t known to their tribe or human at the, found new edible plants, or maybe created a new tool.

Crazy to think that there’s billions of humans that I contributed to the life I have know and their names have long since been lost to time and that what I do today can still affect someone well into the future

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    I just like to imagine there was a real person called Unga Bunga though. It seems statistically likely. Or some guy named, like, Andrew or something, but with absolutely no linguistic ties to any of the modern name’s roots, like it arose independently more than once.

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    Many years ago I heard a comedian tell a joke, “I come from a long line of people who had kids.”

    He was a funny guy, with a funny set, but that line always stuck with me.

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      I just remembered telling a bunch of men than at one point that DNA evidence showed that 1 guy had kids with 18 women to get black pilled responses, but one guy said “that’s my ancestors” and I thought that was funny

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    On the other hand, the number of humans from 50,000 years ago whose names you don’t know is vastly smaller than the number of humans alive right now whose names you don’t know.

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      I like to think that historical humans prefer it that way, if it helps.

      I want my name known to people who loved me and whose life I directly impacted. I like the concept of getting to know the larger human community, but I don’t think I’ll have failed if nobody remembers my name a hundred years after my death. If the choice is between my diary being found and read by people or my name forgotten, I’d prefer the latter.

  • I have a Geneology book that have the names of my ancestors that were alive circa 1200 CE… (like 20something generations ago)

    But like… does that even matter?

    Idk what they even did except like they village wrote a short summary of what that time was like but idk what their jobs were or their behavoirs, thoughts, philosophical beliefs, political beliefs, or maybe if they were just as toxic as my parents… I literally have no info on them other than their name… so does knowing the name of your ancestors even matter?

    (Also its male ancestors only thats recorded in the geneology book… thanks, patriarchy 🤦‍♂️)

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    It’s theoretically impossible to create a system to remember every human that doesn’t rely on external storage.

    I’ll explain: let’s say that for every human that dies, they will be remembered and live on in the heart of another, living human. Each living human can remember n dead humans.

    we can set up an equation

    pn >= r

    where p is the current population of live humans, r is the amount of dead humans that must be remembered.

    We can express the rate of deaths as a proportion of the current living population:

    d/dt[r] = pb

    Where t is time and b is the instantaneous death rate per captia with respect to time (generally a constant).

    Combined with the previous, we get the separable differential equation:

    d/dt[r] = pb >= (r/n)b

    dr/dt >= rb/n

    [1/r] rt >= [b/n] dt

    Integrated:

    ln|r| >= tb/n+C

    r >= e^(tb/n+C)

    pn >= r >= e^(tb/n+C)

    p >= e^(tb/n+C)/n

    So in order for this system to work, the living population must always be growing exponentially, which is not feasible for modern humanity.

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      You could say that n would also have to increase with time. I’m thinking you have a tribe of 10 then 1 dies then 9 people to remember that person. We can say as time goes on the tribe stays at 10 but the original 10 die off then n = 1. So you could turn n into a function of it then solve the equations to see if it prevents a divergence