Brilliant!
Remember when they unveiled “the plan” many years ago? Huge stacks of paper, it looked very comprehensive indeed.
Of course, all the pages were blank. IT WAS TOP SECRET, YOU SEE, INVISIBLE INK!
Now, I’m wondering what was on the other 20K pages after the “$2000 credit a year” page. That was invisible. Eight years ago? Ten? I hate it here
ETA $2000 will be worth $20 by 2027. We should print more money to fix that!
How can there still RELATIVELY many people be able to have kids financially? The fertility rate in most european countries in comparison is lower, although we have affordable healthcare (well compared to the US at least).
This is just a roundabout way of subsidizing the health insurance industry while making his base think he actually did something for them.
Every subsidy that goes to a person basically is a roundabout way to fund an industry. Even tax write offs are. Like a mortgage interest rate deduction just helps banks and the real estate industry, not the people buying a house. The write off pushes housing prices up, since the banks can give out slightly higher mortgages to borrowers and the market adjusts to the bigger inflow of cash and supply doesn’t increase faster. If the write off didn’t exist people could borrow less but houses would cost less as well. This basically happened in my country the Netherlands. Nobody benefited from the introduction of the mortgage interest deduction except the banks and people who already owned a home when the policy was introduced.
No that’s the ACA. This is just peanuts.
Thanks Trump! /s
Trump used to support a Canadian-style, single-payer health care plan. However, the closer he got to the presidency, the more he backed away from that. Funny how that works.
Isn’t that basically universal basic income?
Adding $660,000,000,000 to the federal deficit annually and still not making a dent in people’s healthcare costs?
A single-payer universal healthcare system would be cheaper, as almost every other country’s systems show.
The real trick is to get private equity and for-profit corporations out of healthcare. All they do is drive up costs while lowering outcomes.
Healthcare should be a public service, funded by the government.
as almost every other country’s systems show
You can take out the “almost” here. Literally every other country on Earth pays half or less per capita than what we pay in the US, and this has been the case for decades.
UNH, CVS, ELV and CI share holders disagree with you and thanks to the SCOTUS Citizen United decision they have to money and the legal framework to legally bribe politicians. I’ll suggest to invest in those companies rather than flight them.
I’m not contributing to evil companies. “If you can’t beat them, join them” does not apply when they’re responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths a year and putting millions of people in poverty.
People willing to do anything to get rich is precisely the problem in this country, and I’m not going to be a part of it.
You’re right about Citizens United, though. It should be revoked.
In other news most countries only pay 3 to 5% of their income for universal healthcare but sure we’ll see how Pedo Care works out for Americans
We get discounted 9% of our income every month in my south American country for a deficient health care system, so we have to opt for the private option for an extra 2% of discount.
Even with that you still pay less
The clinics are still expensive and they do all they can to keep the line going up, while the hospitals are collapsed
What country?
The health insurance plans will just raise their prices by another $2000
holy shit is it really 26000?? that’s more than what i pay in tax every year in europe. (granted i am poor but)
the US already spends more public funds in healthcare per capita than every country with free healthcare.
on top of that, we pay a shit ton extra for insurance, then a shit ton more in copays/deductibles, plus a shit ton more because something isn’t included…
you could lower taxes by thousands and give everyone free healthcare.
the US healthcare is nothing but a massive scam. the kind where the perpetators kill tens of thousands per year and rake in endless money. there’s no justification besides rich people like being rich, even if it means killing thousands of innocents. in any civilized world those executives should be tortured to death.
You guys need a lot more Italian plumbers…
why? they didn’t do anything, Luigi was with me that day
It was like 500-600 a month for two people a decade ago but the insurance plans on the exchange have gone up in price about a 100 monthly, every year. But they also dissappear after getting too high, so there are increasingly fewer plans from new or small providers. This year it’s 1200 monthly. These plans were actually quite good though compared to regular plans people get from their employer, with 0 copay and 0 deductible. For low income people on the exchange it cost them 0-100$ monthly for them, and the subsidies covered the entire plan cost up to around 1000$ a month. So last year you could have excellent health coverage for 50 dollars a month, but no longer.
The big problem of course was that without the universal mandate, the whole obamacare plan didn’t really work long term because the cost kept going up without any of the parts to keep that price down because of the Supreme court.
Tbh this is also shocking to me as an American. I am not sure if this is only for marketplace plans or a specific kind or what
The marketplace just had their subsidies cut. Its so funny its like “here’s less than 1/3 back what we cut to line our pockets, you filthy animals, PS, fuck off and die, signed Donald Pedophile Trump.”
Assuming a typical family of four, 2k a month for marketplace insurance is actually pretty cheap. My partner just got his tax documents, and between him and his employer, they spent 10k last year to insure a single adult. I’ve got a ton of health problems, and we’ve talked about adding me to his plan, but that’s an extra $500 a month.
It’s not 2k for coverage… Its 2k to gfys. Orange man backwards ubi
He just wants another excuse to send individuals checks with his name on it. Could be a good opportunity to virtue signal as well if the plan winds up being exclusionary toward singles or other groups.
Oh wow! In switzerland there is immense political pressure beause health insurance is very expensive.
I pay 6300 per year.
Is that all inclusive, or do you pay additional costs when things happen?
The distinction here is important- $26K is premiums which is money that goes to the insurance companies. You will end up paying more than that with co-pays, deductibles, etc.
So this is including the deductibles. Ater that there still is 10% in co-pay. But that is really not that much.
Usually all inclusive from what Ive heard from others. Problem is wait times. But if it’s not life threating, you’re waiting anyways in the US. United States healthcare is dominated by insurance lobbyist. Fear mongering Republicans keep the system up.
Typical NYC slumlord style: “Free first months rent.”
I looked at an apartment once which was the upstairs of a house. Dogs had eaten large chunks out of the bedroom doors and there were two giant piles of dog shit left in the kitchen. The owner was enormous and unable to climb stairs so she hadn’t seen the state of the place after the previous tenants had moved out. After I told her what the situation was, she said if I cleaned it up myself she would knock off $200 … from the security deposit. Get fucked.
His daddy was exactly that. A slumlord. Rotten apple from a rotten tree
Why does the health insurance industry even exist?
That’s a question Americans are prevented from having because it would offend Ayn Rand or something.
People are very bad at setting aside small amounts of money to save for large purchases. Especially when that purchase is “one day I might get real sick”. That is insurance.
But that is also taxes, so we should just pay those and get healthcare for free.
It’s also hard to put away like - well I had $330k of surgeries for a spontaneous pneumothorax about 15 years ago - most people will definitely not experience that. I was in my 20s. Who could save that much by then?
So yeah everyone else in the state paid a little more to cover my bills. By the same token, when God gives a 6yo leukemia (his ways are mysterious lol) I pay a little more to cover her treatment. And by the same token, when someone is lucky enough not to be chosen by God for either of these experiences (hallowed be thy name) then he pays a little more for both of us, which is how he buys a society where he doesn’t have to watch a bunch of people die because God was having fun that day.
So really let’s put the blame where it’s due here, and acknowledge that mankind attempts to introduce fairness into a system where the Lord (worship him lest you burn) is playing fast and loose with His children He loves so much.
Insurance isn’t the same as savings though. Insurance is just a bet. The insurance company basically says “Give me $5000 this year and I will cover your health care costs if you ever accrue any this year otherwise I keep the money.” The insurance company just bets that most of their clients won’t put in any claims.
Not to mention most people can never save enough money to cover the cost of a massive healthcare bill if they get into an accident or get cancer.
This is the US version.
Another version is that the insurance is a mutual fund where everyone is polling money that can be used at any time to pay medical bills. This is not what is happening in the US of course but in some countries the model is similar to that.
The administrators of the mutual fund still make a bet that their income (mainly the money they charge members/customers) will meet or exceed the claims they pay out, no? They might not have a profit motive, but that doesn’t change the basic economics of needing income to be >= expenses.
Because “value” must be created and extracted, doesn’t matter if that means people can’t afford insulin
Trump is a gold spoon fed moron who’s entirely disconnected from reality. That mofo talked about groceries like it’s an afternoon club or some shit. He probably never ever even stepped into a supermarket and bought a fucking loaf of bread and something else himself. It’s why he fucking has no idea how healthcare even works in America, when he had COVID they just pumped shit into him to keep his zombie body alive and he didn’t even twitch even the slightest for how much that would cost. Meanwhile rest of people avoid calling an ambulance because that will cost so much it can bankrupt them. Tell me how that isn’t absolutely fucked.
I live in Slovenia (Europe) and while our healthcare system isn’t perfect either, not once I worried that my medical condition would set me back financially for 5 or 10 years. It just doesn’t cross our minds, like at all ever. You just get in touch with doctors and they sort it out based on severity. If it’s something non critical you might wait few weeks or months if it’s something trivial or cosmetic, but if it’s something urgent they’ll send you to ER immediately and do most complex procedures asap. So it’s not just “you need to wait for months because it’s “free” healthcare”. It is prioritized and it’s perfectly understandable and logical.
Absolutely unrelated, but you mentioned being from Slovenia and it reminds me of a kid I work with (in the US.) When he was 4, I showed him a map of the world. Out of all the places on it, he zeroed in on Slovenia and asked, “What’s that?” I told him, “That’s Slovenia.” Something about your country caught his attention, I can’t explain it.
The kid’s an information sponge. Ever since then, when I mention things about the rest of the world (countries, flags, time zones, etc.) he becomes curious about Slovenia.
So yeah, your country has a special place in a random little boy’s heart. I just wanted to share that.
He might be a sleeper Slovenian agent and he gets activated by the keyword hehe XD
