The F-35 is a poison pill for Canadian defence sovereignty against a hostile America. We cannot win against an invasion, but with the Gripen we can make it a phyrric victory for them.
I would actually say go ahead with the limited purchase. Then use the F-35 as aggressor aircraft in training that way we know how to fight them.
I agree Trump and the ambassador to the US do help the public in supporting not going with the F-35 but calling it a potential phyrric victory because of the Gripens is too much
A phyrric victory is one where the costs have exceeded the benefits that have accrued through victory.
Make no mistake, we would never be able to win in a modern conflict against America. Even if we dropped the entire original order of 80 F-35 aircraft, and used that money to buy 420 Gripen straight from Europe (ignoring domestic production and the lack of skilled fighter pilots, here), we would still lose any kind of air superiority push by America.
But (again, assuming sufficient well-trained pilots) we would definitely f**k up America’s ability to project air superiority by a massive amount. I would even call it a strategic disembowelling of America’s air power.
Just like hunting boar with a spear, the hunter risks the boar being so enraged that, despite being lethally wounded, it still force-impales itself the rest of the way up the spear to get at and kill the hunter.
The point of the Gripen isn’t to win against America. That is impossible.
The point of the Gripen is to have the majority or entirety of the Canadian Air Force beyond America’s ability to remotely restrict operations or shut down completely, such that the pain of any invasion dramatically exceeds any rewards and could even be a lasting semi-lethal blow to their domestic air capabilities as a whole.
What would happen is a tenth of the US Air Force would obliterate the token squadron of Gripens and then the ground troops would finish encircling every major Canadian city after freely advancing across the 9-fucking thousand km border.
Buying an American plane that you can’t keep flying is stupid, but pretending Gripens, a full generation behind in technology, will even contest the skies much less let Canada fight back is delusional corporate brain rot.
Canada needs an armed population willing to fight a guerilla war and the rest of NATO coming in hot, not a money sink that only exists to pad expense accounts and make politician peepees feel big.
What bullshit, they can’t even keep them in the air. Massive cost overruns, budgets ballooning exponentially, capabilities advertised unavailable, 50% availability means while our enemies are blowing the shit out of us they are stuck in the hanger being paper-weights. Look it up yourself, they won’t have advertised capability until 2035. They are also rusting on the tarmac, how will that work for stealth, lol. Fuck the F35 i’d rather have a fighter that can fly and perform as advertised. Look up all it’s problems yourself, they are numerous.
The paper pointed out that the F-35A, the variant being purchased by Canada, achieved a full mission-capable rate of only 36 per cent in 2023.
Mind blowing.
Your numbers are based on unsourced claims from RT lol
But sure bro, just trust your one squadron of Gripens will totally defend Canadian airspace from the US Air Force 😝
And then you’d have a few million Canadians that look physically identical to Americans becoming insurgents fucking up canadian infrastructure making a Canadian invasion expensive and troublesome. We’d never go after them with guns blazing, that would be foolish, we’d just make it uncomfortable and very expensive to be here.
America couldn’t win wars against 3rd world countries with a thousandth the resources of Canada and a visibly different demographic. What makes you think they’d be any more successful here?
Brilliant.
Your “friend” is threatening you. To invade your airspace and also…they don’t need anything from you.
What a bunch of moronic bullies.
Enough is enough, let them fall on their own sword. Canada can do without a friend like that.
I sometimes point to the F35 sales as an example of what it means to be an America ally, as China would never sell this level of weaponry to anybody.
It is amazing how fast Trump is dismantling the partnerships that helped maintain peace.
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Nuclear Weapons Now
You’d need to be a total fool to believe this would have any positive outcome.
Ya know who HASN’T been invaded any time in the past fifty years? North Korea. Wanna guess why?
There’s literally nothing there worth fighting over. Like zero value whatsoever.
It’s negative value, because you’d have tons of poor refugees. And it would cost massive billions to rebuild.
They’re sitting on $20 trillion in rare earth minerals and prior to NK demonstrating nuclear capability the US was ratcheting up their sabre rattling.
There is every reason to have nuclear weapons.
Rare earth minerals aren’t terribly rare. China has lots And they’re way easier to deal with than NK.
The US isn’t forward thinking enough to worry about it. But if they had oil…. The felon understands oil.
Nuclear weapons for all or none.
Having an effective deterrent to being invaded seems like a pretty positive outcome.
I’ve been to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nothing will ever convince me that nuclear weapons are a good idea. It’s a weapon of cowards every single time.
If nobody could have them, that would be ideal. But they do, so having them is better than not having them.
No point in continuing this conversation it appears. It’s how the yanks think. More and bigger guns always better. We’re better than that.
It isn’t about being better or worse, that’s not even relevant, it’s about having something that effectively protects us from American aggression. Your moral superiority won’t protect you from soldiers with guns anymore than they do Americans form ICE. Nukes will.
