Just proving Carney’s point.

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    Everything we buy from the US is made in China anyway, so we’re just cutting out the middleman.

    If we can eliminate US IP protection next then we can build our own technology and do away with them completely.

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      This is a super important point. You go to Home Depot and you see something with the American flag on it. You turn it over - “Made in the USA with domestic and global materials.” Read - a lot of Chinese inputs, parts and subassemblies. That along with a small markup for the fellow poorly paid American assembly worker, and a huge markup for the corporation owner. Cut the middle man and let the American worker deal with him many-on-one - something that has to happen anyways, if this shit is to ever get better.

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          Yeah I always forget about that. I’ve yet to internalize that prison labour is an integral part of Anerican production, especially in certain sectors.

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        “Assembled in USA” with the stars n stripes and a screaming bald eagle.

        Its a shovel with a Chinese steel head in a Canadian wood shaft

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          I recall how happy I was with my stars-and-stripes Stanley FatMax tape measure when I bought it years ago. Back when we were still all-in on the US love affair and the China-bad train.

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        I can attest to this from personal experience. I once worked on a product that I designed in Canada. All the parts were manufactured in China. The only thing done in the US was putting in the five screws to hold it all together. That was enough to earn it a cute little stars and stripes sticker.

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          Fucking hell. I mean we all suspect it and anyone who’s opened anything can see what’s inside but when you hear it from someone first hand it still hits different. Thanks for sharing!

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            I bought a pack of hot sauces bottles. The peppers were grown in the US, the sauce was brewed in Flordia, shipped to china (presumably in barrels), bottled and packaged, and ship back to the US. We cant even bottle our own shit any more.

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              This reminds me of a domestic plastic molding shop that couldn’t make their molds. Instead they sent CAD to China to get the tools made. I think it was a part of SmarterEveryDay’s oddysey into trying to make a BBQ brush in the US.

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      This. I starred buying from AliExpress years back because amazon stores were just sending the exact same product for 5-10x the price. People got upset and said I wasn’t supporting american entepaneurs stores they setup. Lol. And that Aliexpress owner is a billionaire. Sure, but why make Bezos rich too? Just buy direct.

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        People got upset and said I wasn’t supporting american entepaneurs stores they setup.

        🙋 That would have been me some time ago.

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      Everything we buy from the US

      Trump’s tariffs are on things Americans buy from Canada.

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        Indeed.

        I was referring to the possibility of Canada making trade deals with China, which is causing Trump to get butthurt and threaten tariffs.

        Of course not everything we trade with China will be consumer goods, but some parts of a trade deal may include consumer goods, which may overlap with similar goods we buy from the US, which are all made in China anyway. Hence cutting out the middleman.

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    I used to get nervous when I saw something like this. Now, it’s like watching reruns.

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      I think I found the remote to change this godawful channel but the batteries are dead.

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      I was thinking he’d have at least a quiet week or two after the EU mostly called his bluff.

      Our deal with China was barely dipping our toes in the water. If Trump doesn’t get anything substantial from Carney he’ll probably lose significant ability to try anymore power plays on larger countries for the rest of his term unless he actually starts invading more countries.

      Domestically he’s starting to see some real pressure so he is desperate for a win.

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    This guy is big pissed that we said you can stand up to bullies.

    What happened to the US doesn’t need anything from Canada?

    A week ago he said it was smart. Then it was we’ll regret it. Now it’s 100% tariffs and we’re doomed.

    Fuck off. I’m done. This man is so fucking emotionally fragile, he’s like a fucking baby.

    And that’s not to mention that he’s a pussy who’ll back out as soon as some other billionaire talks to Trump.

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      This man is so fucking emotionally fragile, he’s like a fucking baby.

      He’s so emotionally fragile that he’s showing the entire world there’s no point trying to deal with him. He’ll always change his mind tomorrow and you’ll be back to square one. Why even bother? You are better off dealing with someone who understands the value of negotiating a deal and keeping promises.

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    Struggling to understand the logic here.

    Me: “Hey, Amazon, I’m going to buy something from Target”

    Amazon: “That’s it! From now on everything costs twice as much for you!”

    Me: “Target also has other things I need, so…”

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      You’re making the same mistake as Trump. Tariffs aren’t paid by Canadians.

      It’s more, “Hey Amazon, I’ve got all this stuff I want to sell and you’ve said you don’t need it, and you’ve been altering our agreement a ton lately, unilaterally and arbitrarily, making it hard to maintain a business relationship with you. So I’m going to sell it to Target too”. And then Amazon saying “That’s it!! We’re gonna double the price for our customers on any good you sell to us, so our customers’ll probably buy less of it!!!”

      So… you sell more to Target and other vendors. Cause Amazon’s actions are reducing your market viability in their selling space even further. And their idiotic random arbitrary actions, basically just re-emphasize the point you were making. Sorta like how Carney made a Davos speech about great powers bullying smaller countries, and Trump’s response – that many Americans thought was ‘great!’, was “Canada doesn’t live without the US” – so more bullying. Canada exports a silly amount of raw materials, which can be sold in quite a few places other than the US if the US ain’t buying. Canada’s spent a big chunk of 2025 building those additional trade relationships to buffer against this sort of strange behaviour from the states.

      The US Administration makes very little sense these days.

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      They’re swinging at Canadian employers and workers. It’s unclear if this will include items covered by CUSMA - if it does, Southern Ontario is fuuuuuuucked.

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    Appeasement is not going to work with this guy. It’s time for some allies, like Europe, to finally show some backbone and align against the US in a unified front to push back against this. If he can keep picking on one nation at a time while their allies all capitulate to avoid being targeted, everyone will suffer much worse in the end.

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    Ok, bump the cost of 20% of your oil supply by 100%, double the cost of 80% of the potash into your country. Decimate the US automotive supply chain and shut down plants in the US. Go for it! I kept thinking about Carney’s speech, was it a bit over the top (ie, is this really a rupture or just a 4 year blip), but it proves without a doubt that Carney was 100% correct. The response to this is not to cowtow down to Washington trying to find a way to talk them out of this. It’s to stand firm, prepare retaliation and support for industries/unemployed, and prep to make this transition for our economy once and for all. This needs to end now, we may as well pull the bandaid. It will be ugly but necessary.

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      Its not a blip. How can you trust America ever again. They could vote someone else in and do the same.

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      (ie, is this really a rupture or just a 4 year blip)

      It’s a rupture. The Canada/US relationship has been shaky this entire millennium. Many people here are probably too young to remember, but the US got mad when Canada joined the US in Afghanistan, but refused to join the next adventure in Iraq. They might have heard of Freedom Fries, but forget how the US was encouraging Americans to boycott Canadian goods because “you’re either with us or you’re with the terrists!”

      After Bush, Obama made things somewhat normal again, but after Obama, the US elected Trump, then it was Biden, then it was Trump again. If every second president the US elects is going to try to wreck Canada’s economy for not simply falling in line, the relationship is done for. Besides, any deal with the US would now be a suicide pact. The US is intent on destroying itself. You don’t want to tightly integrate your economy to that of a country that is poised to collapse.

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      Can’t remember where I first saw this, but America isn’t the way it is because it Trump is president. Trump is president because of how America is. This isn’t a blip. If he had lost resoundingly I’d be willing to call it a blip.

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    Carney changed the world with his speech in Davos, the EU canceled the their lopsided trade deal with the US. Trump Taco’d out of attacking Greenland and/or Iceland claiming he got concepts of a plan or whatever in respects to Greenland. These tariffs will last at most 11 months but hopefully only a few more weeks, the Supreme Court down there is either going to tell him his tariffs are illegal or he gets impeached.

    I hope Carney does not chicken out.

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      He didn’t. Everyone else is praising the speech but it had too many big words for him to understand. That’s why he’s so mad at Carney again.

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    The only interaction I now have with the usa is that I am boycotting them. This will be for the rest of my life. I do not want to interact with anyone who ever voted for trump and since I am old…

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      American here. Please do. The lead-addled mouthbreathers that allowed this mess to happen will need to die off sufficiently before we can return to sanity.

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      Lucky bastard. 😄 I hope health treats you well for the remainder of your boycott!

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      The moment already happened, it’s the entirety of Carney’s speech. There’s a reason it’s getting the praise and attention it’s gotten, it was a wake up call for the whole world and it seems most heard it as intended.

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      Carney is no Pierre. Never mind the fact PT’s response had to do with internal strife in our country … not with some wacked out pedophilic cunt who thinks he’s king of the world.