This is a Nazi’s wet dream, because they have always been enemies of thought, and now they have a machine that eloquently sells their animalistic ideas.

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    16 days ago

    … Twitter served a similar function, a decade ago, by literally condensing politics into slogans that could fit into a tweet.

    Yeah, LLMs are another level of bad, but… we’ve collectively been at this for a while, stupifying our level and breadth of discourse.

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      I would counter that by saying Twitter encouraged people to learn brevity and clarity when communicating their thoughts. LLMs on the other hand encourage a bloated verbosity that no one wants to read. It’s like Corporate Memphis but with words.

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        I would counter that with: no, no it did not.

        It just turned people into hypocrites, hypocrites with better marketability.

        Brevity? Maybe, kind of, if you count a barrage of snippets as brief.

        Clarity? … No. Because without a format that fully allows a nuanced but actually coherent and consistent position or explanation… it just makes you into a hypocrite.

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      12 days ago

      You’re absolutely right! My apologies, let’s give it another shot and see if it sounds more human!

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    Yeah I had a similar thought a while ago: they finally figured out how to get a computer to not be rational, a capitalists wet dream

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    The only people I talk to don’t know shit about AI and think all the dogs saving babies videos are real. I think I’m good.

    But yes your point stands and this second guessing is the same kind of shit that stops genuine human connection similar to when people stop and ask who they voted for or see the colour of their skin.

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    I don’t think the quality that gives prose an AI smell is eloquence per se, so much as the use of common tropes and rhetorical formulae. The kind of rhetoric AI is best at is the kind that relies on appeal to a shared tradition of discourse more than on novel arguments or reason—and I think that type of rhetoric is more common on the right than the left.

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      In other words, AI is great at emulating form over function (meaningful content). For someone who can’t grasp logic, the next best thing is apeing its form.

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    Eloquent my ass. There’s nothing eloquent about the text output of an LLM. Verbose maybe, overly verbose.

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    Uninhibited by erudition or imagination the fascist mind misapprehends the appearance of their own imperfection and woe as the machinations of their propagandized scapegoats instead of their own shortcomings, and are welcome to take a close observation of the umber hue of my lowest sphincter.

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    LLMs are doing fascists SO gloriously dirty.

    There are hundreds of open source models with historical contexts up to like October. Most are about 3-6 months behind current. They’re scraping the whole internet, more or less. That’s bad, yeah. Except…

    Fascists cannot rewrite history anymore

    These hundreds of open source models have downloads in the millions.

    The number of open source LLMs that can tell you, for example, about January 6th, and Trump winning the election later, and Ice raiding those Chicago apartments in the dead if night is ~100M-10B. Individual runnable instances.

    Go ahead, poison one. Someone’s got the previous version.

    Fascists will never be able to rewrite history again.

    The current version of History will remain history, effectively, as long as computers/the internet.

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      Step 1: Make personal computing unaffordable.
      Step 2: Rent “personal” computing as a service.
      Step 3: Boil the frog by continuously restricting what people can do with the service.
      Step 4: Wait for local computing to die.
      Step 5: Stop LLMs from running on rented computers.

      Hardware won’t last forever. Once they have full control over what people can do with computers, they have full control over the information people are exposed to. LLMs won’t help with that if the only ones that are accessible to the layman are sanitized and censored.

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        That’s such obnoxious doomer bullshit.

        DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-8B can run on most PCs with fucking 8 gigs of ram. You likely have that much in your phone.

        So sick of this on Lemmy. Half of Lemmy users run propaganda for the people they allegedly oppose.

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    Because of the massive amounts of data LLMs need, there will always be garbage input. So the overall quality is limited to “average” writing. Punctuation, grammar, and spelling can be imitated rather easily. Quality prose cannot.

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    On the flip side, imo there are some brilliant people with good ideas, and thier persuasiveness is hamstrung because they just can’t stick to a word count that appeals to thier audience.

    If you know that your audience has a 6th grade reading level… avoid a long form essay.

    “When did neighborhoods become full of strangers?! We gotta get off our phones and get to know each other in our communities. We should be able to borrow a cup of sugar!”

    Check it out, you can pitch socialism in a way that’ll amp people up in like 3 simple sentences.

    If you can’t or won’t do it yourself, by all means ask AI to help you lower your barrier for entry.

    Basically all left (or even neoliberal) discourse happens in such an echo chamber people have forgotten how to talk irl.