Pressing the copilot button to instantly bring up a text box where you can interact with an LLM is amazing UI/UX for productivity. LLMs are by far the best way to retrieve information(that doesnt need to be correct).
If this had been released with Agentic features that allow it to search the web, use toolscripts like fetching time/date and stuff from the OS, use recall, properly integrate with the microsoft app suite. It would be game changing.
We already have proof that this is a popular feature for users since its been integrated in every mobile phone for the past 10 years.
LLM is just a slow way to do things that have better ways to do them.
Or to have an expensive autocorrect do your thinking.
Upvoted. It’s utterly useless.
So you agree that pressing a button to bring up a box that you can query with natural language is a good feature you just think the LLM part is slower and computationally inefficient? I could agree with that if there was something better proposed. I just see an LLM being a good tech for this because of how dynamic it is and with the addition of tools to do specific tasks in a determinism fashion its a powerful tool for the users.
Upvoted for absolutely horrendous take.
Keshee out in the wild? Upvote!
upvoting because this is a good unpopular opinion.
unfortunately, microsoft is about ten years too early to the party, like they always are. what they offer isnt very reliable either, in my opinion
retrieve information(that doesnt need to be correct).
Perhaps I’m just one of “the olds” who doesn’t get modern technology, and this is why I’m having a real difficult time imagining why I, or anyone, would ever spend time looking something up when the factual correctness is optional to begin with.
Yeah, if I don’t care about correctness, i can just make it up myself
Unless you think people always come away from google with the right answer I dont see the 1:1.
If you NEED the right answer you should go to a trusted source same as if you’re using google. If you are looking for an answer then usually blogspam articles, reddit, or AI will all be good enough to return something satisfying. AI is just a faster way of searching a question on google and clicking thte top result.
a faster way of searching a question on google and clicking thte top result.
No, it isn’t. The “I’m feeling lucky” button is.
No its not. Firstly 99% of people have no idea what that button is.
Secondly opening a web browser and going to google typing in your question then pressing ‘im feeling lucky’ then searching through the webpage is way slower than hitting the copilot button typing your question and getting a quick direct answer.
Then write yourself a desktop plugin, an icon, an input box, anything, to take you to the first Google search result. What the fuck does this have to do with LLM? How is this justified to use gallons of water, gigawatt of electricity, and PBs of stolen training data?
Ok so your main complaint is that its to energy intensive? Would you concede that its an OS assistant is a good feature if the query computation cost was lowered? Because I’d argue it already is and the cost of an LLM query isnt unreasonable. The large power costs come from model training and per query cost is negligible.
Also I wont make an argument on the copyright for training data because i dont respect copyright.
Sometimes I wonder if people come here and derive ludicrous drivel for the explicit purpose of posting here.
This is one of those times.
Its a slow day at work, I wont lie.
I’m not here to upvote, downvote, or argue, but I do not use this feature, desktop, mobile or otherwise, I don’t even use the web pages like an ancient Internet user, LLMs only provide productivity when you already know what you’re doing and you’re basically guiding a toddler through a laser field, using the chat features for anything besides coming up with clever names you might name your next dog is basically never going to increase your productivity.
I am so confused as to how the majority of people view this community.
This post right now shows -12 vote count. So does that mean this is a popular opinion…? Or do the majority of people not know how this works?
Because users can smell a shill post a mile away
It could be traffic from outside this community, so they havent read the rules in the sidebar. Maybe people just hate copilot so much its a subconscious reaction lol.
I disagree with your overall opinion for various reasons (relying on AI erodes researching and critical thinking skills; Copilot is dangerously unreliable in the majority of use cases); it is invasive to the point that it’s creating a user backlash; there’s are many serious social/emotional issues that are surfacing because of AI over-use; etc etc).
But I respect that you have shared a genuinely unpopular opinion here (in the right community). And you put your arguments forward in a well-worded and coherent way. So kudos.
ETA: I don’t think it’s appropriate to personally insult OP because of this post, as a small number of people here are doing. C’mon people, look at the community we are in and don’t resort to such insults. This is a great topic for legit discussion.
I agree that LLMs can erodes critical thinking skills and can be unreliable but I think they ARE fit for purpose for majority of searches and queries people have day to day and people are figuring out what is and isnt a question for an LLM. Like im not going to ask an LLM how to configure some piece of software I’ll go to the docs and read it because i need this to be configured correctly. I wouldnt ask an LLM if I can eat this weird mushroom because i might die if its wrong.
But I would ask an LLM what tech I can use if I want to get X result and then look through the summaries of each suggestion. I would ask for a report or document template to be generated because im proof reading the document anyway. I would ask for help automating a task. I would ask for help writing random low effort slop posts that I have to do for office stuff, like marketing emails, event announcements etc.
My reasoning for this post is that even though I dont like copilot currently I can see that at its core its a good feature and with the right polish it can be a great improvement for users. A big gripe i have is that marketers have way overpromised what assistants like copilot can do. When i speak with other people I can see they have already been leaning heavily on natural language queries for over a decade now and having this built into the OS would be a huge quality of life improvement and would improve what the tool can do. People already been outsourcing their thinking to google many years ago so I cant pearl clutch over doing the same with chatgpt and we can put our heads in the sand(like most people in this thread) and pretend people arent using these LLMs for information but the reality is that they are and we need to accept it and be involved in building the software that people want.
I’m a linux user and I think it would be very useful to be able to click one button and say “Set a calander event for the 25th my dads birthday and set a reminder a week earlier” and have it set that. It works on mobile just fine.
The fuck it is. People will make uninstallers or blockers.
Thats fine, I dont expect 100% of people to like anything. My argument is a general one.
LLMs are by far the best way to retrieve information(that doesnt need to be correct)
We already have proof that this is a popular feature for users since its been integrated in every mobile phone for the past 10 years.
you’ve obviously retrieved your thinking in the best possible way, by far.
Do you disagree that phones have had assistants built in for the past decade? Siri was released in 2011 old man.
And that shit has been listening in and leaking personal information ever since its conception. It’s not a fucking positive.
We can acknowledge that assistants like siri are good even though they have had data privacy issues. Youtube has privacy issues but I still use it and consider it a good service. Lemmy has privacy issues and I still use it and consider it a good service.
Overall Siri is a good feature is good and a majority of the users use it.
Bwahahahah gosh that is the most corporate apologetic comment I’ve seen in a long while.
Thanks for the laugh.
And no Siri is not a good feature and literally every person I know that is still using iPhones disabled that shit besides the one Apple simp.
Also learn the difference between what people willingly share and what gets gathered without consent.
Do you think majority of people disable their phone assistant or care about data privacy? You’ve raised extreme minority positions and expect that to be a convincing counter argument to a generalized statement. I’m sorry but thats just out of touch and even though i hold the same minority positions I still acknowledge the realities of what average users want from technology.
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Ok you can stay mad under your little rock. But dont cry about it when the world leaves you behind.
I don’t know why people are downvoting this. It really is an unpopular opinion.
Well that’s definitely an unpopular opinion
I will supplement it by saying Gemini is actually a decent Google replacement for mundane searches
But copilot and ChatGPT are complete garbage
Thats fair and Gemini may be better but I dont think the difference in quality is make or break conceptually. They both fill the purpose enough for me to see that the feature has potential is there even if Gemini would have been a better choice.
Honestly if you think it’s a good feature I challenge you to make a few short youtube tutorials demonstrating how to use it’s helpful features. This will help to spread awareness, and helps convince people with evidence.
I have heard a lot of (what i think is) hot air from the microsoft head AI guy about how much it streamlines professional life and I would love if that was actually true, but I can’t help feeling i would already know about these wondrous features if that was in fact the case. Because people would be gushing about them.
We already have proof that this is a popular feature for users since its been integrated in every mobile phone for the past 10 years
That seems like a good argument. People went crazy over siri and such.
LLMs are by far the best way to retrieve information(that doesnt need to be correct).
I’m not sure when people ever need to retrieve information thet doesn’t need to be correct, in a professional context. But thanks for being honest i guess.
I think you’re getting confused by the marketing. The marketing makes it out to be this useful thing that will do your work for you which it cant. It doesnt have features its just an LLM. You ask question, it returns answer, its really not that much more. The productivity increase comes from people getting fast answers to their questions and quick templates for written work.
I’m finding it funny how many people disagree with the line about information retrieval. We get a ton of untrustworthy information all the time and we know there is a chance of it being wrong and we weigh the consequences vs the extra effort it will take to verify. If im about to stake my career on a fact im not going to rely on chatGPT but if I need to see some popular UI frameworks then chatGPT is fine. If its wrong thats fine there is nothing riding on it I just move on and check the next one.
It doesn’t retrieve information, it’s a txt prediction based on what “might” sound like a correct response. It makes shit up and doesn’t increase productivity. Literally has been proven countless times.
Here’s the lasted example: https://thisweekinvideogames.com/feature/concept-artists-in-games-say-generative-ai-references-only-make-their-jobs-harder/
And that’s not even touching on the environmental impact or the oligarchs pushing propaganda into these clankers or them generating porn. See Grok.
We get a ton of untrustworthy information all the time and we know there is a chance of it being wrong and we weigh the consequences vs the extra effort it will take to verify
I think we have an easier job determining right away if humans are lying about something, and humans generally own up to being unsure about things. On the other hand, AI seems to be designed with an intention to be infallible, as it doesn’t even give an estimate as to how sure it is that it’s information is correct.
If a human in an organisation lies/says incorrect things a lot, they get fired.
If im about to stake my career on a fact im not going to rely on chatGPT but if I need to see some popular UI frameworks then chatGPT is fine. If its wrong thats fine there is nothing riding on it I just move on and check the next one.
So it sounds like AI is only really useful for your
linewider area of work, that being anything programming focused, and therefore you’re thinking of a very specific type of information to get fetched - templates to build off of. I hope you can see why it was bad to generalise in your initial response; someone working with historical or political facts, a structural engineer working on bridges, or a teacher, can’t rely on GPT to get them the info they work with.I think we have an easier job determining right away if humans are lying about something
I think we are equally bad at determining lying between humans and AI. The people who are getting fooled by AI answers would click the top result on google and get fooled there as well so I dont see it as a massive decrease in info quality even though I can admit it is a decrease.
So it sounds like AI is only really useful for your line wider area of work
There are plenty of jobs where it will be more and less useful but my claim is that its generally still useful for majority of professions/people as a quick way to retrieve info via natural language querying. The results are mostly accurate and can include sources if you ask. Thats good enough for most people and most questions. Sure if you need to dig through docs or reference the exact paper then you can search google and get it yourself.
I dont think Teachers is a good example, teachers use it all the time and seem to really like it, idk what structural engineers do so i cant really comment. But even if the engineer has no use I still say its a good feature because not every feature of an operating system has to be used by 100% of people. Windows screen read is a good feature but I dont use it. The share button is a good feature even if I dont use it. Carplay is a good feature even if I dont use it etc.
I will only use it when the icon is an animated paperclip with eyeballs.
Just kidding, I have it so all of my shit work now so I don’t have to. For example, I needed to write a compelling email celebrating international women’s day for a client (a man) to send to the team. I was so angry I wasn’t able to draft anything good. Copilot to the rescue! It spit something out with enough jargon to be compelling to any middle manager. The client sent it without edits.
copilot is horrible trash. I’ve tried to use it but holy crap it’s frustrating. why in the ever living heck when I have a spreadsheet open, and click the copilot button inside the spreadsheet and ask it for to specific things on that spreadsheet, does it tell me to upload it. ITS LITERALLY IN THE PROGRAM IM TYPING TO IT IS.
it’s useless garbage and I won’t use it a y ore. slows down all work, I HAVE to review what it does … why… why not just do it myself, better myself by learning things instead of relying on failure of software, and still have to review and fix it’s outputs.
no thanks.
I think that might be a bug. I tested it now by opening a spreadsheet pressing the copilot button and asking something about the sheet and it returned the answer correctly and didnt ask for it to be uploaded.
tell it to do something to the spreadsheet, it won’t. regardless, we’ve already cancelled the sub to copilot. it’s a waste of time and money, and costs are going up while the use cases are just… terrible since you still need to review everything to speed out because it can’t be trusted.
heck, even Microsoft is basically saying don’t use it right in their terms…
Copilot is for entertainment purposes only. It can make mistakes, and it may not work as intended. Don’t rely on Copilot for important advice. Use Copilot at your own risk.
don’t rely on it, it’s a risk, not intended for real work. it’s a toy…and a useless one at that.
I agree for excel, I think copilot in spreadsheets is using the wrong tool for the job. Its just a bad use of the tech. I also think the price for an enterprise sub is way to expensive for what you get.
