Russia opposes Taiwan’s independence in any form and considers the island an inseparable part of China, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in remarks published on Sunday.

In an interview with Russia’s TASS state news agency, Lavrov also urged Japan to “think carefully” about what he described as a course towards militarisation".

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    We all knew Russia is now China’s puppet. But I didn’t realize China is also so good at ventriloquism.

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      Or, more likely, Russia supports China’s annexation of Taiwan and China supports Russia’s annexation of Ukraine.

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        It seems to me the whole world has always been about assholes supporting each other - until their interests don’t allign anymore - while they all keep the common idiots fighting each other.

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        China supports Russia’s annexation of Ukraine.

        I am not so sure. China has clearly said that it can’t afford Russia to lose the war in Ukraine. But there is the point that China can neither afford Russia to win, or at least the Chinese don’t want Russia to win.

        China wants both a weak Europe and a weak Russia (as well as weak, disunited ‘partners’ around the globe; Trump’s attacks against the EU’s existence plays into China’s hands imho). If everyone aroudn is distracted and busy with domestic problems, economic and political coercion work much better, and it makes it easier for the Chinese government to pursue its own advantages - in Siberia, Taiwan, in the South China Sea, in global trade, … I may be mistaken, of course, but that’s my opinion.

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    China gave it to Japan than Taiwan got liberated from Japan. China has zero valid claim on Taiwan

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        I was discussing legality though. I am aware that in real life it is still the law of the jungle who wins

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        It doesn’t matter. Only taiwanese has the right to decide for themselves if they want to be part of China, or japan, any other country or be indepedent

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          LOL. So it matters that it was part of China, then part of Japan, but it stops mattering after that? Really?

          Which country liberated Taiwan from Japan?

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            Everything do not matter except that Taiwanese are the only legitimate people to decide if they want to be part of China, Japan, any other country or stay an independent country.

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              And the majority have chosen to not decide at all.

              But there are differences between formal status and de facto status.

              A truly independent state has its own government and its own military. This is critical because the Chinese government has been very clear that it will not attempt to reintegrate Taiwan by force, knowing that doing so will create a terrible resistance movement that will make life bad for everyone.

              But the Chinese government is also clear that if the US brings its military to Taiwan and establishes the island as a de facto or actual US military base then it will invade. If Taiwan allows the US to establish such a base there, then the locla Taiwan government is not choosing independence but vassalage.

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                What? The CCP has been extremely consistent in its position that use of force is absolutely on the table.

                EDIT: Fuck it’s .ml … got me again

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                  Yes, the use of force is on the table IF the US or other nation uses Taiwan to create a threat of force against the mainland.

                  China’s official position, consistently reiterated by Xi and other officials, is that they reserve the right to use force primarily in the context of the Taiwan issue to prevent formal Taiwanese independence or foreign interference

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                Not having an opinion is still a decision. As long as the majority of Taiwanese do not say yes then China has no right to take it even peacefully. The hypocritical west also has zero right to tell Taiwanese what they should do

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                  How would the Chinese government “take” Taiwan peacefully? The Chinese government position is very clear on Taiwan - Taiwan will come to desire integration with the Chinese government over time as relations between the mainland and the island improve (remember Taiwan was openly fascist until 1992, which is only 34 years ago) and as relations between the island and the West deteriorate.

                  Right now, the status of Taiwan is as ambiguous as the status of the dominance of the Western global system. When the KMT fled after their loss, all of China was totally impoverished after a century of humiliation at the hands of the imperialists. As the imperialists do, to create division, they improve the material conditions for a subset of people - in this case they invested in fascist Taiwan and developed it into an economic power, just like they did with Hong Kong. The purpose of this was to make the people living in the island prefer working with the rich imperialists over working with the very very poor communists, and of course it worked. But, as the West continues to sunset, Taiwan will get less and less economic benefit from aligning with the imperialists, and the whole dynamic will slowly, naturally change.

                  The problem here, as ever, is not actually the Chinese government but the Western governments.

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    Trump is Russia’s bitch and now it is obvious that Russia is China’s bitch. China won.