How do you think the genocide in Palestine (caused by the country of Israel) would stop? Would there be a revolution? Is the genocide because of imperialism running rampant? Does socialism has the tools necessary to stop this genocide (among other things)?
You say so, yet Israel’s pursuits are invariably aligned strongly to the interests of the US.
I would bet the “interests of the US” are actually interests of Zionists elites affiliated with the US. Ordinary citizens stand nothing to gain.
Your comment wreaks of antisemitic dog whistles.
Every state is controlled by elites, who have interests different from the interests of the population.
And there it is the Zionist antisemitism card.
“Zionist elites” is a dog whistle.
Another phrase should be chosen.
No it’s the correct phrasing. There is nothing dogwhistly about it. Miriam Adelson is openly bragging on a podium that she’s going to donate $250 million to Trump for anotehr term because he supports Israel so well.
And let’s not forget about the Democrats who threw their last election to Trump for refusing to concede one single issue: Israel.
At what point are you going to reckon that Zionist elites are actually a real thing? Do you know about Jeffrey Epstein?
You don’t understand dog whistles.
A statement may be accurate and justified in its literal phrasing even while such phrasing also insinuates unwarranted animus.
Consider learning more about dog whistles before continuing the discussion.
I understand dog whistles very well. You’re doing one right now.
You are not informed or sincere in relation to the topics you insist you have mastered.
And many of those US elites are Zionist; most are Gentile Zionists.
“Zionist elites” is a dog whistle.
Another phrasing should be chosen.
Not really. I think Israel is a money laundering scheme and am not sure if the beneficiaries are Jewish at all. Sure is convenient that the one gov nobody can criticize just so happens to be for a state full of people who endured the Holocaust. I am saying that it sounds like someone used racism as a crutch to do what they wanted, and used common people’s sympathies to manipulate everyone. I’m not antisemite, and I can’t know for sure either way. It just all seems scammy to me. I don’t care what someone believes as long as they are nice to others.
Of course through Zionism, ethnicity is invoked disingenuously, but the objective within the US political establishment is the state interests of imperialist hegemony. It is not being duped or coerced into a “money laundering scheme”.
Stop trying to redirect responsibility away from the US state interests that Israel plainly serves.
I agree with the other guy that private interests of individual politicians seem to be frequently trumping the general interests of US hegemony when it comes to US policy on Israel.
Let’s not pretend it’s antisemitic to recognize private kickbacks among and between politicians and lobbyists have contributed hugely to cementing relationships between the two countries.
It would be antisemitism to claim the people involved in political corruption were all jewish or that it’s because they’re jewish that they do x or y or something like that.
“Zionist elites” is a dog whistle, because it resounds of conspiracy theories about insidious control by Jews, as distinct from plainly visible political processes. The phrasing is actively used to propagate such counterfactual and dangerous beliefs. Because it has such history, the phrase is not functioning simply toward a neutral explanation of established facts.
The essential observations are that Zionism is fundamentally a European project, and that Israel is fundamentally a US colony. Even if some politicians fail to follow the plot on every detail, the existence of Israel as a settler-colonial ethnostate is plainly aligned to state interests. The US supported the creation of Israel, and the relations of colonial vassalage would remain even if the lobbying were dismantled.
The only means of altering the relationship is to attack the heart of the US political establishment and the military-industrial complex.
Like bombing Qatar?
Do you really trust Trump. The usa definitely nee about the attack
You are missing the forest for the trees.
This in no way debunks the beyond obvious evidence. The US has not been acting in its own self interest in the last few years in the Middle East.
The bombing of Qatar, a US military base hosting Hamas at US demand was the cherry on top of the cake removing all doubt.
You are conflating dysfunction with selflessness.
The US acts toward its own interests, not the interests of other states whose interests are not aligned.
You in no way addressed my argument.
You never offered an argument of any consequence.
You summarized one event, and alluded to “obvious evidence”.
The history of Israel being supported as a US colony begins at least as early as the creation of the state of Israel, and never simply evaporated.
The existence of a settler-colonial project in the Middle East directly supports US regional hegemony, by contributing to the Middle East remaining weak and divided.
I suggest you try considering a more complete range of evidence and analysis.
Historically Israel was created by powerful Zionist lobbyists in Europe and America who used and threw aside multiple countries in the history of their colonialism, working together even with the Nazis. Britain and France before America in terms of using it as a money drain.
These Zionist lobby groups are no secret there is tonnes of documentation. Most notably
Interests can align but what must be observed is whose interests are mostly being fulfilled. Certainly not the US which has “voluntarily” given up all of its leverage to give Israel everything it wants for nothing in return.
Once again, look at what actual Western colonialism and imperialism looks like. Debts. Loans. Borrowing. Extraction.
Look at Ukraine going trillions into debt. Now look at Israel getting everything for free.
Zionism has roots as early as the early modern period, but Israel became a state only after the Second World War. Many Zionist individuals and groups were powerful, as were many antisemitic groups and individuals. Israeli statehood only became possible when the powerful Allied victors, the US and UK, determined that the displaced Ashkenazim should settle in Palestine. It was an opportunistic alignment of Western interests and Zionist ideology. Flavors of Zionism not aligned to Western imperialism began to fade, with the more expressly ethnonationalist ones becoming increasingly prominent.
Again, please stop trying to paint powerful states as lacking of any comprehension or agency. Arguments that insist Zionism is some kind of infiltration into the Western governments that support Israel is barely removed from a conspiracy theory.